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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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Willis your host and we're here at

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podcast UFO and thank you for joining us

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this evening we have a great show for

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you we have a first of all we have pj

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hughes he's gonna be coming up in about

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40 minutes up he will he was at a

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different location he's running home

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right now to get to his microphone and

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set up over there then we have Omar

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Lauda and he is a witness to the

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tick-tack UFO on the Nimitz he'll be

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joining us and Dave Beatty Dave Beatty

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is a filmmaker and and my book made the

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very best film out there called the u.s.

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USS nimitz encounters on you youtube

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it's over like i think it's somewhere

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around a million and a half views so far

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on that it's a great film he because of

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his efforts in this film he's having

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contact he's getting contacted by

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witnesses and therefore is the show this

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evening we're gonna be talking about

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that more coming forward this is really

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turning into something a few listeners

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say well you know you're doing this

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nimitz stuff a little too much but i

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think it's a very important case and i'm

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glad to be doing this and hopefully

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every show that i've done about it the

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listener gets something out of it and i

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think that's going to be the case

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tonight pretty sure it is and I have

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Alejandro Rojas coming up in just a

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minute with the UFO updates I do want to

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thank everyone that supports the show

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it's an expensive show to do and I do

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appreciate everyone that helps out on

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that let me just make sure that we had

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some trouble last time I'm going to ask

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this to the chat if the audio is okay

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that was on YouTube last time so I think

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we have everything ironed out but I just

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want to make sure and again without your

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support the show you go over to podcast

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UFO comm and the information is there

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also if you check out that website you

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will see we have a new blog every week

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and this this week is very interesting

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it's about basically about journalism

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and UFOs and the name of that blog our

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blog our blogger I should say is Charles

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Lear he's doing a great job he's that

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down in New York and the title of this

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is how do you capture a moving target I

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like that because uh as you know UFOs

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are evasive our unrepeatable and except

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for a few cases you never you know get

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another chance once one goes by go so

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anyway it's a great blog check it out

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again we have new blogs every week I can

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also join our Facebook page we have

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about 23,000 people liked on that and

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there's there's news every day on that

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and we have Alejandro Rojas up now for

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UFO updates welcome to the show

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Alejandro hello thank you very much

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thank you

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and there's you know it's funny right

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during the show last week there was six

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minutes in the show six oh six that

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political article broke went across the

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wire and you text me about it and I

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imagine this we're gonna be talking

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about tonight a little bit that will be

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I wanted to talk about one other thing

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real quick it was a breaking piece of

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news from last night and then we'll get

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into that because there's much more to

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that especially that relates to your

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program and everything yeah however at

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the late-breaking news last week Oh guys

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news here is from George Knapp yet again

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George Knapp really is the guy releasing

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the best information when it comes to a

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tip he's staying on top of it as usually

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he's digging and he got this document so

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that these flür of it

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DoD to be honest I personally feel it's

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been kind of a silly argument because we

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have a lot of supporting information

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including from a multitude of witnesses

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supporting that those flew documents or

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those fluid videos were from the DoD it

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was a question of who released them Lu

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elizondo's already told us you know it

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was released through the DoD the New

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York Times I've spoken to Leslie Kane

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confirms that you know they had this

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document that showed the DoD released

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these videos and they vetted that

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document to make sure that it was real

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but none of them had released the

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document so finally George Knapp was

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able to get a copy and release this

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document so we can see it ourselves now

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we don't have confirmation from the DoD

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that this is real but we have

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confirmation from Elizondo we have

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confirmation from Harry Reid from New

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York Times I mean we have a lot of

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credible people substantiating that this

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is a real document so what's the DoD

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that release these we don't have details

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about why or who release them

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not at liberty to share that information

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yet so that's a piece of late-breaking

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news however that's kind of small fries

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and mostly only of a concern for some of

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us geeks who are really looking at all

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the details the bigger concern is the

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Navy what you were referring to during

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your show you must have inspired him it

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only took him six minutes of watching

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your show and they said you know what

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yeah we need to make some UFO guidelines

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so the Navy did that they said we're

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gonna release some guidelines related to

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UFOs and we're gonna take this seriously

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in fact we have a full statement and

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they've kind of been stashed with this

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statement I got this from a guy who

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worked with the government doing PR work

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he was able he's also got an interest in

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UFOs and he was able to get this this

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full statement from the Navy the

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Politico published the majority of this

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statement but not the full statement and

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by the way it was Politico that broke

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this news but here's a full statement

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and I think this is important because

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it'll it gives you an idea of why they

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did this there have been a number of

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reports of unauthorized and or

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unidentified aircraft entering various

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military controlled ranges

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and designated airspace in recent years

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for safety and security concerns the

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Navy and the US Air Force take these

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reports very seriously and investigate

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each and every report as part of this

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effort the Navy is updating and

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formalizing the process by which reports

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of any such suspected incursions can be

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made to the cognizant authorities a new

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message to the fleet that will detail

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the steps for reporting is in draft in

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response to requests for information

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from congressional members and staff

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briefings by senior naval intelligence

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officials as well as aviators who

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reported hazards to aviation safety so

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they're saying you know congressional

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briefings these briefings are what

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influenced them also the reports from

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the very people you're having on your

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show witnesses who were in the Navy who

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reported influenced them to to come out

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and to talk about this they outline it

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pretty clearly I've been arguing and I

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wrote a piece that you can see at the

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front page of open mind sad TV saying

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hey this is also a direct result of the

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work of T TSA some people disputed that

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Chris Mullin was a part of it and Chris

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Mullin actually wrote to George Knapp a

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document saying yes to the Stars and our

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efforts were involved with all of this

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and you know getting these briefings to

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happen getting these witnesses in front

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of Congress and others and so Chris

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Mellon also confirms you know that Tom

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DeLonge had said this also but you know

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sometimes people think he's exaggerating

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but no certainly two stars and Tom

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DeLonge deserve a lot of credit credit

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as well as the Navy witnesses who have

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been brave enough to come forward and

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share their stories I wonder what do you

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say to the the skeptic or I've had

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someone wrote me and they said that this

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has nothing at all to do with UFOs it

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meant just you know threatening like

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from a hostile country or something like

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that yeah you know there's a lot of

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people who who make claims like that but

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it's like a lot of these claims it's

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like the claim about the FLIR videos and

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where they came from or this claim that

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even a tip has nothing to do with UFOs

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to me they're silly I mean you need to

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justify what you're saying and on our

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side when we're saying like a tip was

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part of its all UFOs we have plenty of

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substantiated and information to to say

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that we have credible information we

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have the guy who started the program we

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got the funding read we got the guy who

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ran the program we have people who were

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hired to work on the program all telling

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us this as far as to when it comes to

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the Navy I think if you read that

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statement it's it's pretty silly to say

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otherwise now people have to remember

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also a UFO is an unidentified flying

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object that doesn't mean that it is

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alien in nature some skeptics have that

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said that but that's not the truth at

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all if you hear any of these people it's

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something that we haven't identified we

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don't know what it is it demonstrates

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you know advanced characteristics that

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that we don't have anything or at least

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known that can do those sorts of things

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so there was a great article written by

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Tyler Roca way about all of this where

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he examines it and he goes he says what

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we have to take from this is two things

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that this is real

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these aircraft that are performing these

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these you know incredible feats they are

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real this is really happening we can't

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ignore it anymore now it could be

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advanced aircraft and it's a good step

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for mainstream to take because now they

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have to examine that does it fit is

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there anything in our arsenal or are

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there any technologies where at craft

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can go thousands of miles in an hour

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you know demonstrating technology that

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would take the the power of several

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nuclear blasts like the seu report as

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estimated so you know next up we got to

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look into that stuff it's a UFO it's

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unidentified so it is something that we

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don't know what it is so now out this is

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about examining what it is so certainly

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you know all of this UFO information

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that's been coming out the TSA all of

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this is supportive of this so it is

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looking into unknowns the topic we're

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going to be speaking

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tonight you know one of the one of the

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things I've heard a number of times by

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different people speculating saying you

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know it's probably security you know

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military black ops you know and which

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could fit for some of it but not all of

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it for one of one of the things in

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particular that I'm thinking about is

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not only that the g-forces and how it

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held together with these massive

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g-forces but also the no witnessing of

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any sonic booms that's something you

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never that a lot of people don't think

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about or talk about but when something

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is shooting off it's a several thousand

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miles an hour you'd always hear a sonic

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boom and how does it defy that that's

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that's a big another big huge mystery

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right there no those are it those are

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all of the the scientific questions is

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that when a when an object that has a

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mass is moving at a great speed you're

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creating g-forces you're creating

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stresses on the object for instance you

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know it doesn't take too many g-forces

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for an f-18 to start to fall apart

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something I can't remember the numbers I

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see you went over it and I've written

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about if I can't remember it right now

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I'm sure some of your witnesses would

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remember or some Dave Beatty might

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remember those numbers but you know

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what's something it's let's say it

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doesn't it's it's somewhere around seven

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or eight or something like that but the

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point is that what we're observing here

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are g-forces that go well beyond that so

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we are looking at strains on materials

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that we don't have the sort of materials

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that can take those sort of strings let

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alone oceans that can move something at

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those speeds or move them in the way

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that these are exhibited so those

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g-forces are really important the strain

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on the the material of whatever this is

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would be tremendous not only that like

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you mentioned of course that they would

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creating be creating sonic booms that

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they're going above the speed of sound

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but we're not seeing that they also

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would be expending large amount of

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energy so for instance a rocket rockets

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are you know they're propelling an

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object at a large object very quickly

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and in order for us to do that you

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we have to have these controlled

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explosions essentially you could see the

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results of these energy being emitted

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but we see no results of any energy

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being emitted except for our one can

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argue that the small I heat that we're

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seeing coming from these objects because

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these were infrared they were heat you

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know looking at the heat of the object

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so you do see some heat but a very small

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amount of heat as opposed to the large

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amounts of heat that you would be seeing

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generated from from these things so yeah

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the scientific questions are really

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tough to tackle and even taking that

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perspective that it is human-made which

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is is possible the technology that would

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need to be applied at least given what

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the SCU has looked at would have to be

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extraordinary these technologies would

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have to be extremely advanced so

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especially not to have sonic booms or

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some of these other things that we've

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talked about so yeah you're right

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that's what's so jaw-dropping that is

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what's so mysterious about all of this

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right right well looks like we're at

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about the end of our time did you have

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anything else you wanted to pop in there

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no I think those are all the big stories

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of course you can see them on the front

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page of open mind stat TV there's more

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and more coming out about this but you

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know I think what this does this Navy

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news it justifies what you've been doing

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I mean I think it's terribly important

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to talk to as many witnesses as possible

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I haven't been doing that but that's

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because people like you have been doing

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a great job getting to these witnesses

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and so I think it's really important

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what you're doing and I think it's well

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well worth the effort this is something

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we've never had before it's been decades

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since the the military has spoken to

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UFOs and I when they they mentioned that

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the Air Force takes it seriously you

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know we wouldn't have known because for

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decades the Air Force has been telling

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us we don't pay attention to UFOs since

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1969 even though we have documentation

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to show otherwise so you know the

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military certainly created their own

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problem with this whole thing where

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people are feeling that they're not

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taking this seriously because they've

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that's what they've told us yeah now

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thankfully it looks like they are taking

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it more seriously yeah

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thank goodness alright Alejandro thank

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you so much as always yep my pleasure

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thank you all right talk to you next

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week

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All Right see ya have a good show thank

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you all right everyone our guests while

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we have two of them two out of three

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right now and PJ will be joining us

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later on so keep that in mind and right

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now we have Omar Lara and we also have

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Dave Beatty welcome to the show guys

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okay thank you appreciate it

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so let's see one at a time here Omar can

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you first give up a nutshell about your

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position during 2004 in the Navy and and

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your your background real quickly if you

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would

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sure no problem in 2004 I was a ABA

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aviation fuels second class basically a

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petty officer second class rank and

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onboard the Nimitz I'm sorry on board

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the Nimitz I was an aviation fuels

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technician basically what I did was

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monitor the fuel system do maintenance

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on board and monitor the defueling and

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fueling of all embarked aircraft okay

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Omar it's a shame you you think you're

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on a Mac and everything we just can't

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figure out how to eat your camera going

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so when you're talking on a popover this

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picture of you in navy uniform that you

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were very young then right when was that

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taken

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I was probably about 23 at the time yeah

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41 now yeah yeah yeah and Dave baby Dave

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why don't you wanted to give you a

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background yeah sure as you know I'm a

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filmmaker but my day job is video

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Intelli production which I've been

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involved in for over 20 years

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before that I was a television

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journalist spent the first 10 years of

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my career covering local news in New

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York and then down here in Florida you

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know when I came down here in the 90s I

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would I joined the local state

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section of youth on and I was a field

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investigator for several years didn't

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have too many big cases here although my

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mom lived in Gulf Breeze while that

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whole Gulf Breeze thing was going on I

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used to go up there and visit her I've

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always been interested in the topic

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probably the first video efforts that I

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did with ufology was in the last year so

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my the rest of my career has been doing

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documentaries and films and commercial

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production not necessarily not

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necessarily UFO video production but

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that kind of changed last year and and

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what what inspired you to do that well

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it was you know several of my friends

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had sent me links to to the stars

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announcement when they first pitched the

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whole group and they got up on stage and

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they talked about you know these former

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intelligence officers and you know

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Lockheed Martin skunk works you know

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workers and then they began talking

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about these incidents that occurred

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involving u.s. Navy Carrier Strike

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groups and crafts that sort of defied

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physics and they couldn't really

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identify them and I was very interested

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in that story and I guess you know that

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was like around October 2017 when that

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came out so a bunch of us began

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researching and trying to find out more

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about that particular case and it wasn't

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soon after that we tracked down the

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fighter sweep article that had been

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published on in March of that year so

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back in March of 2017 written by a

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former fighter pilot named Paco chichi

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and in this article he lays out in

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detail the entire incident and it was

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kind of a trade magazine for fighter

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pilots and aviation enthusiasts so not

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many people had heard about it and up

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until that point I think that that was a

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story that was told or on the bar you

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know in fact it's what they said

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in the name of it there I was that's

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like kind of like a fighter pilot story

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that they told you know you know to

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their friends only so he put it in print

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and he researched it diligently and

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checked facts he told me he had the

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naval investigation document which to my

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knowledge has still never come out

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this was not an a tip document according

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to him this was like a naval

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investigation document that was very

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similar to what we've later seen and he

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used that to kind of set the stage so to

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speak and describe it and when I when I

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first read that article I mean I saw it

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in video as a video guy I'm like wow

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this is make a really cool documentary I

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could picture it and got my the gears

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going up here you know so that's how it

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started yeah and it looks the film you

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created looks very high-quality and

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usually when you see a film like that

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you know there's major funding and all

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that is this something you undertook all

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by yourself or did you get some backing

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no um when I first started thinking

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about it I realized that you know it

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would be very difficult for me to get

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sponsorship for something like this I

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didn't have anything lined up and over

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the course of several months especially

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after the New York Times article came

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out in December and it started getting

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more popular

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I considered how I could do it on a

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shoestring budget because I do have a

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skill set that allows me to not only do

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video editing but I'm also a DP a

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cinematographer you know I in my past I

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studied electronic music and I also do

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computer graphics I'm not you know

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that's not my full-time day job of doing

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CGI but I know how to do it you know and

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you can see it in the film so pretty

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much using that skill set with other

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resources I used and that I can pull

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from I decided that yeah I'll just work

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on this for fun because I really wanted

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yeah what looks like the screen froze

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here for some reason all right Dave I'm

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not sure if you can hear me but you are

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frozen in time and so we may have to try

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to pull you back on skype and see what

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happened there

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Omar while we're trying to get him

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why don't you given kind of an overall

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about your job and leading up to the

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infamous day there if you would yes sir

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no problem at that in 2004 it was the

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second and last night of the operations

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and the reason why I remember that being

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the second last night is all the jet

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aircraft and all the other aircraft had

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already disembarked meaning that they

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had flown off back to their home base a

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lot of times people tend to believe or

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think that the aircraft stay with the

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aircraft carrier when we pull into

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homeport they go back to their bases and

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typically at night like that it's gonna

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be a long one usually the department the

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air department is clearing up the deck

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of gear as well as the Air Wing the Air

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Wing also has attached sailors to them

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and they come on board literally just by

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walking on and they meet the aircraft

544
00:24:01,630 --> 00:23:57,920
once they land there and the Air Wing is

545
00:24:04,210 --> 00:24:01,640
using our elevator system to remove a

546
00:24:08,410 --> 00:24:04,220
lot of their gear down into the hangar

547
00:24:11,710 --> 00:24:08,420
bay and it's a nice night in some

548
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:11,720
Pacific Ocean southeast of southwest of

549
00:24:19,930 --> 00:24:17,600
San Diego and as the Air Wing personnel

550
00:24:24,580 --> 00:24:19,940
are going up and down the elevator

551
00:24:26,740 --> 00:24:24,590
system while l3 if I'm correct on that I

552
00:24:30,130 --> 00:24:26,750
believe was l3 was down into the hangar

553
00:24:34,660 --> 00:24:30,140
bay one of the gentlemen had fallen off

554
00:24:36,790 --> 00:24:34,670
and he went overboard just did his

555
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:36,800
strobe light and the man-overboard

556
00:24:45,610 --> 00:24:41,930
signal went on and at that moment what

557
00:24:47,890 --> 00:24:45,620
had happened is usually at a man

558
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:47,900
overboard everyone has to report in so

559
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:49,490
that your department

560
00:24:54,940 --> 00:24:52,640
and your immediate supervisors know that

561
00:25:00,370 --> 00:24:54,950
you're not the one over the side in the

562
00:25:07,180 --> 00:25:00,380
ocean so I called in all counted four

563
00:25:09,310 --> 00:25:07,190
and after that things kind of come to a

564
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:09,320
certain standstill with someone's Man

565
00:25:18,220 --> 00:25:14,090
Overboard you don't really get back to

566
00:25:22,269 --> 00:25:18,230
what you're doing and we went back on

567
00:25:24,460 --> 00:25:22,279
deck after I called in and we could see

568
00:25:26,350 --> 00:25:24,470
the Sailor he's he had drifted out at

569
00:25:29,139 --> 00:25:26,360
sea he caught he got caught in a current

570
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:29,149
and I remember that night the deck

571
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:32,710
department having a an issue or problem

572
00:25:39,549 --> 00:25:35,570
getting the rig boat off the aircraft

573
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:39,559
carrier and his strobe lights flashing

574
00:25:44,649 --> 00:25:42,110
and I'm standing out there on the aft

575
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:44,659
end of the ship which is the back end of

576
00:25:54,039 --> 00:25:50,090
the aircraft carrier and without any

577
00:25:56,649 --> 00:25:54,049
warning this white an emmalution

578
00:25:59,919 --> 00:25:56,659
emmalution object shoots down out from

579
00:26:01,690 --> 00:25:59,929
the sky comes down like a shooting star

580
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:01,700
and when you see a shooting star they

581
00:26:06,820 --> 00:26:05,600
tend to almost break up and disseminate

582
00:26:09,250 --> 00:26:06,830
you know what I mean they slow down and

583
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:09,260
disseminate but this thing just kept

584
00:26:14,260 --> 00:26:11,510
coming down at an angle and it just

585
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:14,270
stopped right in between the horizon and

586
00:26:20,139 --> 00:26:18,110
the calm ocean it was a nice clear night

587
00:26:23,159 --> 00:26:20,149
so this thing stuck out like a sore

588
00:26:25,659 --> 00:26:23,169
thumb and it was just white bright

589
00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:25,669
object and it sat there for about eight

590
00:26:31,810 --> 00:26:30,470
to fifteen seconds between uh behind the

591
00:26:34,659 --> 00:26:31,820
sailors so I'm not saying it was

592
00:26:37,419 --> 00:26:34,669
directly above them or behind them but

593
00:26:39,130 --> 00:26:37,429
it was still a distance from the Sailor

594
00:26:43,630 --> 00:26:39,140
overboard Wow

595
00:26:47,139 --> 00:26:43,640
well Omar we are right at our break so

596
00:26:50,649 --> 00:26:47,149
this is really pretty exciting and we'll

597
00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:50,659
pick that up when we come back so that's

598
00:26:59,049 --> 00:26:54,710
that's it for this this segment hanging

599
00:27:00,460 --> 00:26:59,059
everyone on kgr a radio and we'll be

600
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:00,470
right back

601
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:02,570
stay stay in there youtube we're going

602
00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:10,540
all right we're clear

603
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:13,100
Martin Willis and there's just about

604
00:27:17,950 --> 00:27:15,410
four minutes and ten seconds in this

605
00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:17,960
break all right thank you all right so

606
00:27:22,930 --> 00:27:20,990
we are still live on YouTube everyone on

607
00:27:25,540 --> 00:27:22,940
this break mmm the next break we won't

608
00:27:26,350 --> 00:27:25,550
be but anyway I think we got everyone

609
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:26,360
here don't we

610
00:27:32,110 --> 00:27:30,050
PJ yes I'm here I'm back

611
00:27:36,010 --> 00:27:32,120
PJ I don't I don't hear a microphone do

612
00:27:38,350 --> 00:27:36,020
you have one can you give enough yeah it

613
00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:38,360
does it sound where I'm getting a it

614
00:27:44,020 --> 00:27:40,300
doesn't sound quite like a microphone

615
00:27:50,410 --> 00:27:44,030
all right yep

616
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:50,420
Dave what happened Dave Eve I'm not

617
00:27:54,850 --> 00:27:53,090
hearing you yeah the I guess the

618
00:27:59,230 --> 00:27:54,860
internet dropped my just had to

619
00:28:01,000 --> 00:27:59,240
reconnect are you far away from the

620
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:01,010
you're on Wi-Fi obviously you far away

621
00:28:09,310 --> 00:28:07,250
from the router no okay all right so PJ

622
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:09,320
how are you how you doing good how are

623
00:28:11,530 --> 00:28:09,650
you

624
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:11,540
I guess that's I guess that's a

625
00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:13,310
microphone you have a foot type we have

626
00:28:17,470 --> 00:28:16,100
a microphone Ian I had a microphone in I

627
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:17,480
just took it out could you couldn't hear

628
00:28:19,780 --> 00:28:18,080
me on it

629
00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:19,790
oh no I could hear you it just didn't

630
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:22,580
sound like a microphone it sounds almost

631
00:28:26,740 --> 00:28:24,650
sounds a little better now so we're

632
00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:26,750
still live on YouTube so why don't you

633
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,560
introduce yourself if you would um yeah

634
00:28:38,410 --> 00:28:34,880
names Patrick Hughes I was an avionics

635
00:28:40,750 --> 00:28:38,420
technician with VAW 117 the Wallbangers

636
00:28:44,530 --> 00:28:40,760
we were onboard

637
00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:44,540
Nimitz during what Dave has called the

638
00:28:54,220 --> 00:28:49,940
Nimitz encounters I was I never actually

639
00:28:56,860 --> 00:28:54,230
saw the attack myself I speak for Roger

640
00:28:59,380 --> 00:28:56,870
who was one of the in-flight techs who

641
00:29:03,190 --> 00:28:59,390
was airborne during stories intercept he

642
00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:03,200
saw the tic-tac he can't come forward

643
00:29:09,370 --> 00:29:05,920
he's he has signed an NDA and has

644
00:29:12,430 --> 00:29:09,380
security clearance concerns but he has

645
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:12,440
confirmed quite a few things with me he

646
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:16,640
gives you the tick-tock tick tack it did

647
00:29:21,340 --> 00:29:18,910
form up with the Hawkeye during a flight

648
00:29:25,270 --> 00:29:21,350
but more specifically what I can speak

649
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:25,280
for is after the Hawkeye which was

650
00:29:31,870 --> 00:29:27,200
airborne during flavours intercept

651
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:31,880
flight came back the Air Force came and

652
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:35,330
confiscated a lot of the classified

653
00:29:39,630 --> 00:29:37,850
material off the airplane that had

654
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:39,640
record stuff there in the flight and

655
00:29:44,350 --> 00:29:42,110
that's where I come in and speaking to

656
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,360
some of the backstory of the actual

657
00:29:49,210 --> 00:29:47,120
situation yeah so we're gonna be when we

658
00:29:50,860 --> 00:29:49,220
go back live we want everyone over at

659
00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:50,870
the radio station ability here that - so

660
00:29:57,490 --> 00:29:54,590
we'll kind of go over all that but were

661
00:30:01,180 --> 00:29:57,500
you actually on the Hawkeye I mean is

662
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:01,190
that is that did you die in that oh not

663
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:02,720
in this case but I have flown into

664
00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:06,110
plenty of times yes yeah that's that's

665
00:30:11,020 --> 00:30:08,840
quite can you describe what that is

666
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:11,030
exactly I mean it's got this major radar

667
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,850
dish on the top of it right yeah I mean

668
00:30:16,539 --> 00:30:15,440
the Hawkeye is essentially it's an

669
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:16,549
airborne early warning and control

670
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:20,330
aircraft it's frequently called the

671
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:24,049
quarterback of the theater group almost

672
00:30:28,090 --> 00:30:25,520
nothing happens in the battle groups

673
00:30:29,710 --> 00:30:28,100
without without a Hawkeye president of

674
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:29,720
Hawkeye airborne and Hawkeye controlling

675
00:30:35,950 --> 00:30:34,250
things the radar and the cooperative

676
00:30:38,620 --> 00:30:35,960
engagement capability were true the big

677
00:30:43,169 --> 00:30:38,630
assets Lynx up the battle group allows

678
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:43,179
everybody to see the same picture and

679
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:46,880
it's because of being up in the sky like

680
00:30:50,650 --> 00:30:48,710
the up in the air like that is that and

681
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:50,660
it gets more of an overview than you

682
00:30:58,900 --> 00:30:54,169
could on the ground like a off a ship so

683
00:31:01,900 --> 00:30:58,910
uh the radar in general is a limitation

684
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:01,910
is line of sight you can only relatively

685
00:31:05,740 --> 00:31:04,370
see the horizon you can't the higher up

686
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:05,750
you are the further you can see just

687
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:08,330
like if you would your own eyes stood

688
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:11,090
below a tower and looked you're only

689
00:31:14,530 --> 00:31:12,559
going to see so far you climb up to the

690
00:31:16,570 --> 00:31:14,540
top of that tower and look you're gonna

691
00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:16,580
see that much further yeah I got it yeah

692
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:18,470
same principle all right I think we're

693
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:22,610
going back aren't we race ray see you

694
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:22,970
there

695
00:31:28,899 --> 00:31:25,610
yes I am and we're ready to go back

696
00:31:32,669 --> 00:31:28,909
around you yep awesome

697
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,679
we are thin off of music bro alrighty

698
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:34,880
alright here we go I'm gonna count you

699
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:37,330
down Martin yep

700
00:31:46,659 --> 00:31:44,690
in five four three two all right

701
00:31:48,430 --> 00:31:46,669
everyone welcome back I'm here with

702
00:31:51,549 --> 00:31:48,440
everybody's here now

703
00:31:54,190 --> 00:31:51,559
PJ is PJ who Hughes pest juice is

704
00:31:58,899 --> 00:31:54,200
joining us and Omar is here as well and

705
00:32:01,570 --> 00:31:58,909
AP and so quickly I know you've been

706
00:32:05,470 --> 00:32:01,580
talking on YouTube but just introduce

707
00:32:07,389 --> 00:32:05,480
yourself if you would Patrick yeah my

708
00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:07,399
name is Patrick Hughes I was a bionic

709
00:32:13,769 --> 00:32:09,190
technician on board

710
00:32:17,860 --> 00:32:13,779
Nimitz I worked with Wallbangers VAW 117

711
00:32:19,090 --> 00:32:17,870
I'm speaking for both myself who I could

712
00:32:21,159 --> 00:32:19,100
speak for some of the behind the scenes

713
00:32:23,169 --> 00:32:21,169
stuff I didn't actually see the tic tac

714
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,179
with my own eyes but I'm also speaking

715
00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:25,039
for Roger who was one of the in-flight

716
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:27,590
Tech's who not only was airborne Tour

717
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,409
favorites intercept but who also saw the

718
00:32:35,649 --> 00:32:33,200
tic-tac form up with with our Hawkeye

719
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:35,659
during that same time frame know this

720
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:38,480
has been kind of a mystery to me and I

721
00:32:42,639 --> 00:32:40,610
don't know if Omar if you want to chime

722
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:42,649
in on this too but how come some people

723
00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:47,330
were made to sign the NDA and and some

724
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:51,830
not it's it's a puzzle oh my honest

725
00:32:58,990 --> 00:32:56,090
opinion has to do with the CC system and

726
00:33:01,330 --> 00:32:59,000
what it was capable of seeing what it

727
00:33:02,649 --> 00:33:01,340
was linked to what it was tied to the

728
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:02,659
amount of people who actually had

729
00:33:10,539 --> 00:33:05,600
visible access to that is a lot less

730
00:33:13,899 --> 00:33:10,549
than who who actually saw the object so

731
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:13,909
that's my assumption and is the hawk I

732
00:33:18,669 --> 00:33:17,090
saw a lot of data we would have seen

733
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:18,679
data that not necessarily everybody else

734
00:33:22,509 --> 00:33:20,570
could see that's really reason I can

735
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:22,519
think of they would have NBA the crew

736
00:33:26,919 --> 00:33:23,600
that was in the Hawkeye and not

737
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:26,929
everybody else yeah I mean I mean David

738
00:33:32,529 --> 00:33:29,809
flavor is he was he obviously he's

739
00:33:34,330 --> 00:33:32,539
talking about it I don't think that he

740
00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:34,340
had to sign one I don't remember hearing

741
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:36,169
that disgusting but he also wouldn't

742
00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:38,510
have seen the CC data yeah

743
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:41,640
that's sure you were the item CT

744
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:43,770
it and so you think that the data is

745
00:33:48,260 --> 00:33:45,450
more

746
00:33:53,030 --> 00:33:48,270
let's see incredible than the visual

747
00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:53,040
sighting because of and I'm gonna try

748
00:33:56,510 --> 00:33:54,600
and steer clear Patrick's and

749
00:33:59,360 --> 00:33:56,520
capabilities of what yes when actually

750
00:34:02,270 --> 00:33:59,370
you yeah but CC is essentially a data

751
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:02,280
link it links the Hawkeye which is the

752
00:34:06,530 --> 00:34:04,620
only airborne asset that has you see it

753
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:06,540
links to Princeton it links grad

754
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:08,250
stations and it links and limits and

755
00:34:13,820 --> 00:34:11,910
some other stuff all together and they

756
00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:13,830
see a giant instantaneous picture of

757
00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:16,230
everything that's happening not

758
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:18,990
everybody has access to that other

759
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:21,330
sensors feed into it but not everybody

760
00:34:29,420 --> 00:34:24,480
can actually see what the CEC system has

761
00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:29,430
and it's a it's a game changer as far as

762
00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:33,390
what information that has and the

763
00:34:36,110 --> 00:34:35,220
Princeton would have recorded it and it

764
00:34:38,660 --> 00:34:36,120
does it automatically

765
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:38,670
the Hawkeye doesn't always record it but

766
00:34:41,810 --> 00:34:40,650
I know it was recording because I always

767
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:41,820
hit record before I got out of the

768
00:34:47,450 --> 00:34:45,330
airplane and odds are the Nimitz even

769
00:34:48,830 --> 00:34:47,460
though it was tied in it probably wasn't

770
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:48,840
recording because it wasn't a high

771
00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:51,510
priority for them I see

772
00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:55,740
ok so Dave can you kind of go over how

773
00:35:03,170 --> 00:34:58,440
this whole thing happened were you know

774
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:03,180
PJ and Omar and other witnesses I'm sure

775
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:05,130
you have said other witnesses have

776
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:06,900
gotten in touch with you over this film

777
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,260
right your film yeah that's right I mean

778
00:35:13,850 --> 00:35:12,000
you're you you're talking to two of them

779
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:13,860
right here tonight your audience is

780
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:16,650
hearing their stories simply because hmm

781
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:20,910
they at some point saw my movie and in

782
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:23,910
that I had asked any military personnel

783
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:26,850
they had witnessed not just this

784
00:35:33,020 --> 00:35:30,540
particular case but any military case to

785
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:33,030
if they wanted to talk about it to get

786
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:34,800
in touch with me and that you know I

787
00:35:40,220 --> 00:35:38,760
would respect their privacy and so on

788
00:35:41,420 --> 00:35:40,230
and not use their name if they didn't

789
00:35:45,140 --> 00:35:41,430
want if they wanted to remain anonymous

790
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:45,150
and so on that I promised to do so and I

791
00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:47,010
kept that you know I haven't like

792
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:48,660
anybody that doesn't want to like have

793
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:51,810
their name or even their story told I

794
00:35:57,809 --> 00:35:55,569
haven't done that but PJ reached

795
00:36:02,579 --> 00:35:57,819
me I don't know when it was back in

796
00:36:05,549 --> 00:36:02,589
November or so telling me that the story

797
00:36:08,539 --> 00:36:05,559
that you just heard and I think at that

798
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:08,549
point I asked him if he had any other

799
00:36:15,059 --> 00:36:12,130
you know friends that were there during

800
00:36:19,279 --> 00:36:15,069
that time and you know I'm sure enough

801
00:36:23,699 --> 00:36:19,289
like several weeks later his friend

802
00:36:26,430 --> 00:36:23,709
contacts me via email and you know just

803
00:36:29,130 --> 00:36:26,440
bear in mind that I did check these guys

804
00:36:31,140 --> 00:36:29,140
out as far as their military service

805
00:36:36,329 --> 00:36:31,150
records or their separation papers of

806
00:36:39,209 --> 00:36:36,339
dd-214 a lot of these strike groups have

807
00:36:41,459 --> 00:36:39,219
Cruz books that every few years when

808
00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:41,469
they go on deployment they create these

809
00:36:46,499 --> 00:36:44,680
you know hunters and a 300 page yearbook

810
00:36:49,259 --> 00:36:46,509
so to speak that has photos of every

811
00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:49,269
single crew men and their rank and what

812
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:51,219
department they're in so you can also

813
00:36:56,519 --> 00:36:54,249
easily go back and I just made sure that

814
00:36:58,620 --> 00:36:56,529
you know the people that were contacting

815
00:37:00,749 --> 00:36:58,630
me if they said that they did something

816
00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:00,759
that I checked it out and verified that

817
00:37:05,609 --> 00:37:02,440
and in some cases that would have

818
00:37:08,670 --> 00:37:05,619
multiple people that were corroborating

819
00:37:10,759 --> 00:37:08,680
each other stories so these two

820
00:37:13,949 --> 00:37:10,769
gentlemen you know told me their story

821
00:37:17,339 --> 00:37:13,959
and then later on actually I think it

822
00:37:21,299 --> 00:37:17,349
was probably just in March that Omar

823
00:37:23,459 --> 00:37:21,309
emailed me as well and told me the story

824
00:37:26,339 --> 00:37:23,469
about the man overboard and kind of

825
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:26,349
incredible nocturnal light that he

826
00:37:32,099 --> 00:37:29,170
witnessed towards the end of that work

827
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:32,109
up right and he you and you know that's

828
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,089
not all I have like dozens and dozens of

829
00:37:38,849 --> 00:37:36,400
other sighting reports that have really

830
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:38,859
nothing to do with the Nimitz some of

831
00:37:42,089 --> 00:37:40,089
the other witnesses that I've been

832
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:42,099
working with came out individually that

833
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:44,049
weren't necessarily related to my film

834
00:37:51,059 --> 00:37:45,729
such as Kevin day and Gary Voorhees

835
00:37:55,259 --> 00:37:51,069
those two sailors I you know became

836
00:37:57,390 --> 00:37:55,269
acquainted with outside of my film I see

837
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:57,400
I see Omar right before we were going

838
00:38:03,689 --> 00:38:00,880
into break you were telling us about you

839
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:03,699
know your encounter you saw this then

840
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:06,609
come down right down to the water and

841
00:38:09,730 --> 00:38:07,930
just stay there I think you said

842
00:38:13,150 --> 00:38:09,740
something like eight to fifty

843
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:13,160
seconds and you don't know you said you

844
00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:14,210
didn't think it was right over the

845
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:16,190
sailor that had gone overboard but it

846
00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:19,520
was over in that direction was it yes

847
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:23,390
there was I would say is directly behind

848
00:38:29,020 --> 00:38:26,720
him and it was nowhere near the sailor

849
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:29,030
that was overboard his strobe light was

850
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:31,490
still flashing and between those eight

851
00:38:35,710 --> 00:38:34,250
to fifteen seconds while the deck

852
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:35,720
Department was still struggling to

853
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:39,250
remove the rigged boat from the Nimitz I

854
00:38:45,370 --> 00:38:42,170
one of the sailors that were on that

855
00:38:48,089 --> 00:38:45,380
response and with the rig boat literally

856
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:48,099
turned the spotlight to try to

857
00:38:56,620 --> 00:38:52,910
illuminate this object so those there's

858
00:38:59,800 --> 00:38:56,630
a witness there as well and as he turned

859
00:39:02,290 --> 00:38:59,810
to try to illuminate it it lasted maybe

860
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:02,300
two to three seconds after he did that

861
00:39:07,870 --> 00:39:05,450
and he went back to the Sailor and then

862
00:39:10,810 --> 00:39:07,880
maybe a few seconds shortly after that

863
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:10,820
that's when the object took off at an

864
00:39:17,950 --> 00:39:13,310
incredible speed just as fast as it came

865
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:17,960
down it went right and it went left but

866
00:39:23,980 --> 00:39:20,450
at an angle maybe at an acute angle or a

867
00:39:26,859 --> 00:39:23,990
90-degree angle and at that moment it

868
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:26,869
just shot right back up into space where

869
00:39:29,710 --> 00:39:27,680
it came from

870
00:39:32,859 --> 00:39:29,720
and when I mean shot right back up I

871
00:39:35,260 --> 00:39:32,869
don't mean as in as you would witness a

872
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:35,270
space shuttle launch you know you could

873
00:39:40,780 --> 00:39:39,050
still see exhaust fumes and the space

874
00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:40,790
shuttle is traveling at incredible speed

875
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:43,070
but you can still fall generally follow

876
00:39:48,730 --> 00:39:46,250
it with your eye sight but with the

877
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:48,740
movement of this object you literally

878
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:51,410
have to move your torso and you had to

879
00:39:58,089 --> 00:39:54,290
look up just to keep up with this thing

880
00:40:02,160 --> 00:39:58,099
and there was no sonic boom no cat no

881
00:40:04,690 --> 00:40:02,170
trail whatsoever and it just took off as

882
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:04,700
fast as anything I've ever seen on this

883
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:06,710
pass of the handy and I've ever seen on

884
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:09,680
this planet now did you see the actual

885
00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:11,930
moon shape of it looking like a tic-tac

886
00:40:17,050 --> 00:40:14,750
like the other ones or was this more

887
00:40:22,210 --> 00:40:17,060
like a round object what did you see

888
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:22,220
it was definitely roundish you know

889
00:40:25,450 --> 00:40:22,970
compared to the

890
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,460
stars I would say it was like maybe the

891
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:27,920
size of a quarter it was a nice clear

892
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:29,210
night mm-hmm

893
00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:31,730
so you could really you could see it I

894
00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:34,790
mean even if it was well after the fact

895
00:40:40,510 --> 00:40:36,920
that he saw it shot down and then plant

896
00:40:46,170 --> 00:40:40,520
itself there it was pretty visible

897
00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:46,180
compared to the night sky and and the

898
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:49,790
the stars but as far as commander's

899
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:52,610
flavors description of the object I to

900
00:40:59,310 --> 00:40:54,160
see anything

901
00:41:04,090 --> 00:40:59,320
as far as I wasn't as close to it as

902
00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:04,100
commander was and this thing just moved

903
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:06,350
at incredible speed and that's one of

904
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:09,530
the things I'll never forget and Omar

905
00:41:13,180 --> 00:41:10,970
knows commander favored by the way I

906
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:13,190
think that he worked with them on Nimitz

907
00:41:19,870 --> 00:41:16,910
in his capacity you know with the Jets

908
00:41:22,510 --> 00:41:19,880
so I had a encounters with commander

909
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:22,520
forever almost at a daily basis if he

910
00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:24,170
was there in his office I would turn in

911
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:27,620
few reports basically it's just a

912
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:31,520
breakdown how much fuel each aircraft or

913
00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:34,790
actually each squadron was using in

914
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:37,790
pounds not in gallons and it's just like

915
00:41:43,650 --> 00:41:40,310
a general breakdown of what how much

916
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:43,660
gasoline or jp5 did drinking basically

917
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:47,210
and now that it was you know a good

918
00:41:52,180 --> 00:41:49,850
morning sir how are you and I have to be

919
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:52,190
very respectful and of course respect

920
00:42:01,630 --> 00:41:56,810
his rank and stand up individual if I

921
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:01,640
remember and up do you think your

922
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:04,730
encounter was approximately the same you

923
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,330
know Dateline as as what when when he

924
00:42:12,310 --> 00:42:10,640
had that encounter did he actually you

925
00:42:14,620 --> 00:42:12,320
know was that a known thing when these

926
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:14,630
encounters were happening well no sir

927
00:42:22,810 --> 00:42:19,690
not for me I'm wasn't privy to PJ's

928
00:42:24,430 --> 00:42:22,820
account due to his security clearance

929
00:42:26,890 --> 00:42:24,440
just to piggyback on what he said during

930
00:42:31,770 --> 00:42:26,900
the break my security clearance was

931
00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:31,780
nowhere near is or as far as others in

932
00:42:44,410 --> 00:42:40,870
we had I had no clue of all those other

933
00:42:46,540 --> 00:42:44,420
incidents that happened and that was one

934
00:42:50,020 --> 00:42:46,550
of the first things that came to mind

935
00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:50,030
right away when I heard I think I

936
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:52,670
believe it was a Jeremy Korbel he came

937
00:42:57,220 --> 00:42:54,650
out with it first on a George Knapp

938
00:42:59,620 --> 00:42:57,230
interview and I happen to be listening

939
00:43:03,190 --> 00:42:59,630
that only the fact that it was until

940
00:43:05,890 --> 00:43:03,200
2016 that I had just got done reading

941
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:05,900
Annie Jacobs book of area 51

942
00:43:11,740 --> 00:43:09,110
she mentioned mr. Knapp and I got back

943
00:43:14,110 --> 00:43:11,750
into the UFO subject and just kind of

944
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:14,120
started trying to figure out maybe what

945
00:43:21,130 --> 00:43:17,570
did I see or maybe someone has inside

946
00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:21,140
them to this this object with this

947
00:43:27,490 --> 00:43:23,030
incredible maneuverability and

948
00:43:30,220 --> 00:43:27,500
technology and when I heard mr. corporal

949
00:43:34,060 --> 00:43:30,230
mention it I literally just jumped out

950
00:43:36,490 --> 00:43:34,070
of out of my my seat at the middle of

951
00:43:37,930 --> 00:43:36,500
the night I woke up my family and they

952
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:37,940
had only been maybe five people that

953
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:41,510
ever told in my lifetime since that

954
00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:46,400
incident and that is when I reached out

955
00:43:51,850 --> 00:43:49,220
to mr. Korbell and then a few months

956
00:43:55,690 --> 00:43:51,860
later I remember he had mentioned that

957
00:44:00,430 --> 00:43:55,700
he has Bob Lazar video coming out as

958
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:00,440
well as skinwalker ranch and I think

959
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:02,090
that just kind of took precedence over

960
00:44:11,020 --> 00:44:06,800
his uh his uh work and his daily life

961
00:44:13,630 --> 00:44:11,030
and then I saw mr. batas video and I say

962
00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:13,640
you know maybe I tell this gentleman my

963
00:44:18,190 --> 00:44:16,460
story and hopefully we can get some

964
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:18,200
other witnesses because I was not the

965
00:44:22,930 --> 00:44:21,410
only one that saw this thing I mean

966
00:44:25,090 --> 00:44:22,940
there's a gentleman right next to me and

967
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:25,100
I won't release his name because he's

968
00:44:30,670 --> 00:44:27,890
still active and out of respect to him

969
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:30,680
his service time and his family and

970
00:44:36,460 --> 00:44:32,930
close close friendship I won't say his

971
00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:36,470
name he saw this object too but no sir I

972
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:40,430
mean there was no information out there

973
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:45,310
in regards to hey we're chasing these

974
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:48,800
UFOs nothing like that but uh pj of

975
00:44:51,390 --> 00:44:49,609
course they knew

976
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:51,400
bought it but not me because I had no

977
00:44:57,789 --> 00:44:54,049
security clearance like that but was

978
00:45:01,479 --> 00:44:57,799
this on the the training was it on the

979
00:45:05,049 --> 00:45:01,489
same training session off of San Diego

980
00:45:07,210 --> 00:45:05,059
and mm yes it was the same time the same

981
00:45:11,950 --> 00:45:07,220
time we did go out to sea twice in

982
00:45:16,269 --> 00:45:11,960
November and I believe mr. Beatty

983
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:16,279
is uh researching the deck logs for that

984
00:45:22,450 --> 00:45:18,970
particular night right we have we have a

985
00:45:26,410 --> 00:45:22,460
FOIA request in right now for the Nimitz

986
00:45:29,950 --> 00:45:26,420
tech logs the ones that were already

987
00:45:34,210 --> 00:45:29,960
produced didn't go up to the end of

988
00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:34,220
November I believe I think it's that

989
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:36,230
they went up to like November 16th or

990
00:45:41,019 --> 00:45:39,049
something like that and Omar related

991
00:45:43,870 --> 00:45:41,029
that he believed that this that might

992
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:43,880
have been the last night before they

993
00:45:48,910 --> 00:45:45,920
went back to port so that would have

994
00:45:51,579 --> 00:45:48,920
been a later in November so we did go

995
00:45:54,279 --> 00:45:51,589
back and resubmit to try to get the rest

996
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:54,289
of those logs specifically looking for

997
00:45:58,809 --> 00:45:55,970
that man overboard so we could correlate

998
00:46:00,430 --> 00:45:58,819
the date when this event happened which

999
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,440
i think is kind of an interesting thing

1000
00:46:04,690 --> 00:46:02,720
and the other thing I want to ask you

1001
00:46:08,229 --> 00:46:04,700
all Marv is because you know you are on

1002
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:08,239
the ship do you ever remember any sort

1003
00:46:14,739 --> 00:46:11,690
of scuttlebutt that you know they were

1004
00:46:17,049 --> 00:46:14,749
playing The X Files or that there was

1005
00:46:19,329 --> 00:46:17,059
any cartoons like or anything like that

1006
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,339
around that period you do you recall I

1007
00:46:24,549 --> 00:46:21,440
remember they kept playing that that

1008
00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:24,559
movie with the Will Smith over and over

1009
00:46:31,539 --> 00:46:25,670
and then they even play Close Encounters

1010
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,549
of the Third Kind I believe house was if

1011
00:46:36,009 --> 00:46:33,200
I could I don't know if it was that one

1012
00:46:37,029 --> 00:46:36,019
but I do know that Will Smith movie

1013
00:46:40,329 --> 00:46:37,039
being anymore

1014
00:46:42,190 --> 00:46:40,339
oh yes know how fourth of July or

1015
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:42,200
whatever I Nippon Independence Day in

1016
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:44,089
the air he was he was a jet fighter

1017
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:48,410
pilot yeah independency yeah that's all

1018
00:46:55,839 --> 00:46:50,569
they were they're busting you a little

1019
00:46:58,660 --> 00:46:55,849
bit there well um so when this happened

1020
00:47:00,279 --> 00:46:58,670
first of all I'm going to ask you do you

1021
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:00,289
you said there was someone beside you

1022
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:02,210
and I wondered if you had an approximate

1023
00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:02,810
idea

1024
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,760
many other people witnessed it and to

1025
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:07,280
talk among yourselves and did you report

1026
00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:10,610
anything oh yes we talked about it and

1027
00:47:20,770 --> 00:47:17,350
that's one of the experience one of the

1028
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:20,780
things I take out of the experience as

1029
00:47:28,780 --> 00:47:24,050
soon as it the object went back to

1030
00:47:31,590 --> 00:47:28,790
wherever it came from a short time after

1031
00:47:34,420 --> 00:47:31,600
that we went into General Quarters and

1032
00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:34,430
General Quarters is basically a battle

1033
00:47:40,780 --> 00:47:36,320
stations there's something within our

1034
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:40,790
vicinity so not only that the art

1035
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:42,530
witnesses in front of me which probably

1036
00:47:48,670 --> 00:47:46,250
about I'm gonna say eight to maybe five

1037
00:47:51,070 --> 00:47:48,680
to eight ten people

1038
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:51,080
I remember them standing there and as

1039
00:47:55,090 --> 00:47:53,450
well as the gentleman next to me we went

1040
00:47:58,780 --> 00:47:55,100
into General Quarters and at that time

1041
00:48:00,280 --> 00:47:58,790
they called for non-essential flight

1042
00:48:02,650 --> 00:48:00,290
deck personnel to leave the flight deck

1043
00:48:05,290 --> 00:48:02,660
they see what's going to happen is we're

1044
00:48:08,770 --> 00:48:05,300
gonna we're gonna launch and we had the

1045
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,780
alert six on standby and the alert stick

1046
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:10,960
is the alert six is a jet aircraft

1047
00:48:15,820 --> 00:48:13,250
that's sitting on the catapult system

1048
00:48:20,020 --> 00:48:15,830
while the catapult system is charged

1049
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:20,030
ready to go in the jet aircraft is a

1050
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:23,990
pilot and he's gonna get ready to shoot

1051
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:27,710
off and maybe chase this thing but he

1052
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:30,610
wasn't gonna catch that that that object

1053
00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:36,250
and shortly after they called general

1054
00:48:41,650 --> 00:48:38,860
for flight deck personnel to leave I

1055
00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:41,660
dawn before I could even dawn my cranial

1056
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,590
and and put my goggles on they called it

1057
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,880
off hmm

1058
00:48:51,790 --> 00:48:48,800
so they didn't they didn't launch the

1059
00:48:55,810 --> 00:48:51,800
jet aircraft so I know that combat

1060
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:55,820
systems had to have seen this object

1061
00:49:02,650 --> 00:48:58,490
because I don't think they were gonna do

1062
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:02,660
a Man Overboard drill I'm sorry a

1063
00:49:07,780 --> 00:49:06,410
General Quarters drill daring them the

1064
00:49:12,810 --> 00:49:07,790
actual Man Overboard

1065
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:12,820
I don't believe they would do so so the

1066
00:49:18,140 --> 00:49:15,770
General Quarters went off and

1067
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:18,150
like I said they have just seen

1068
00:49:22,070 --> 00:49:21,300
something on our radar system Wow

1069
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:22,080
interesting

1070
00:49:26,540 --> 00:49:24,510
Dave I'm asking you this question

1071
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:26,550
because I know you've researched this

1072
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,450
thing overall and I just wondered do you

1073
00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:33,119
know if this is the only encounter that

1074
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:36,030
was seen from the ship or any of the

1075
00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:41,310
ships themselves as far as I know you

1076
00:49:48,620 --> 00:49:44,670
know as far as being a separate incident

1077
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:48,630
from the November 14th incident now

1078
00:49:55,970 --> 00:49:52,380
there are other eyewitnesses to the

1079
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:55,980
tick-tack and those would be Kevin Day

1080
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:00,240
and Gary Voorhees who both independently

1081
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:04,050
after those intercepts went up to the

1082
00:50:10,849 --> 00:50:07,410
bridge wing on the USS Princeton which

1083
00:50:14,170 --> 00:50:10,859
would be you know way up high and super

1084
00:50:17,290 --> 00:50:14,180
structure of the ship outside they have

1085
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,300
tripod mounted or rail mounted

1086
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:19,920
binoculars that are called the ship's

1087
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:21,900
big eye that are used for the watch

1088
00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:24,960
standers so they would sneak up there

1089
00:50:29,540 --> 00:50:27,780
get a bearing and range on one of the

1090
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,550
radar tracks that they were they had

1091
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:31,440
down in combat information go back

1092
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:35,099
upstairs and then look through these big

1093
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:38,460
eyes and Gary Voorhees described seeing

1094
00:50:44,359 --> 00:50:41,640
these white objects at quite a distance

1095
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:44,369
he didn't know specifically the distance

1096
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,750
but he thought that they were probably

1097
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:47,520
based on the radar crocks that they were

1098
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:50,609
you know 20 to 30 miles out and he could

1099
00:50:55,790 --> 00:50:54,330
see the white tic-tac object at that

1100
00:50:58,579 --> 00:50:55,800
distance

1101
00:51:00,560 --> 00:50:58,589
Kevin day also recorded a very similar

1102
00:51:02,890 --> 00:51:00,570
experience and I think that there were

1103
00:51:07,220 --> 00:51:02,900
probably more than those two gentlemen

1104
00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:07,230
went up to the bridge wing in fact area

1105
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:10,380
told me that some of the crew were kind

1106
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:12,450
of shooing these guys away because every

1107
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:14,730
spare chance they got after this they

1108
00:51:20,050 --> 00:51:16,140
were all running up there trying to get

1109
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:20,060
in line to see these things so you know

1110
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:24,089
and then the other not as far as on the

1111
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,810
ship but then you know PJ and has the

1112
00:51:33,050 --> 00:51:29,520
description of his

1113
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:33,060
friend that saw the objects from the e2

1114
00:51:39,620 --> 00:51:37,530
Hawkeye and again that particular story

1115
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:39,630
has never been told if you look in any

1116
00:51:45,290 --> 00:51:41,850
of the official documents from to the

1117
00:51:46,820 --> 00:51:45,300
stars from the eighth tip you know these

1118
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:46,830
people were never interviewed by any

1119
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:49,290
officials in that capacity so when

1120
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,210
they're telling me that story it's never

1121
00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:54,240
been in the press and in fact you'll get

1122
00:51:59,630 --> 00:51:56,940
people saying no no one from the Hawkeye

1123
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:59,640
squadron saw the tic tac because I read

1124
00:52:03,860 --> 00:52:01,020
the report it's not in there

1125
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,870
but I'm saying no there's a witness here

1126
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,760
and there's a cooperating corroborating

1127
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:07,440
witness that says that they did

1128
00:52:11,870 --> 00:52:10,440
now we've pj and i have tried to reach

1129
00:52:13,580 --> 00:52:11,880
out to some of the other flight crew

1130
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:13,590
that were there so far we've been

1131
00:52:18,620 --> 00:52:16,410
unsuccessful but there's five people in

1132
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:18,630
that airplane and you know if one person

1133
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,730
saw it he says that the whole flight

1134
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:22,800
crew saw it so there's probably some

1135
00:52:27,950 --> 00:52:25,020
other witnesses out there in that

1136
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:27,960
airplane now I know it seems to me a

1137
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,220
plane like that probably doesn't have a

1138
00:52:34,540 --> 00:52:31,680
lot of windows so maybe over by a door

1139
00:52:42,350 --> 00:52:40,010
what's that I know I have a funny story

1140
00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:42,360
about that well we got we got two

1141
00:52:46,940 --> 00:52:45,000
minutes to break and I just wanted to

1142
00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:46,950
say when we do come back I want PJ to

1143
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:49,380
tell basically his story thoroughly

1144
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:50,400
there but go ahead

1145
00:52:57,860 --> 00:52:54,810
um well when I first heard that I had

1146
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:57,870
somebody that's a pilot telling me no

1147
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,460
they couldn't have seen him because

1148
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:00,960
there's no windows in the back of the

1149
00:53:06,590 --> 00:53:03,510
Hawkeye and then PJ sent me a photograph

1150
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:06,600
of the window in the Hawkeye in the back

1151
00:53:12,290 --> 00:53:09,930
there's three windows and then the pilot

1152
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:12,300
told me well they never opened the

1153
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:14,130
windows during when they're flying and

1154
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:17,130
then PJ explained that well yes they do

1155
00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:18,690
they just have to put the radar and

1156
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:21,780
stand by so each time they came up with

1157
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,130
a reason

1158
00:53:27,590 --> 00:53:25,200
PJ who's very knowledgeable the hawk I

1159
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,600
would show me a picture and say well

1160
00:53:33,020 --> 00:53:30,240
here here here's the proof right here so

1161
00:53:35,390 --> 00:53:33,030
kind of interesting Wow yeah I I would

1162
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:35,400
just you know I was just picturing again

1163
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:37,530
you know just picturing my mind a plane

1164
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:38,640
like that I wouldn't think would have

1165
00:53:43,220 --> 00:53:41,490
you know windows accessible you know

1166
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:43,230
because it's all instrument reading

1167
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:45,660
you know that's what that's what I would

1168
00:53:49,819 --> 00:53:47,640
think but um let's see we're gonna be

1169
00:53:52,339 --> 00:53:49,829
why don't we head into break now since

1170
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:52,349
we're at this that this bridge here will

1171
00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:54,900
go into a break and and then we'll come

1172
00:54:00,349 --> 00:53:56,819
back and we'll continue and when we do

1173
00:54:02,569 --> 00:54:00,359
come back I'll have PJ tell his story

1174
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:02,579
basically alright everyone so hang and

1175
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:04,140
nail we'll be right back right after

1176
00:54:09,740 --> 00:54:07,770
this break alright welcome back this is

1177
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,750
Martin Willis and we have three guests

1178
00:54:14,359 --> 00:54:11,760
tonight we have dave Beatty

1179
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:14,369
we have Omar Lara and PJ Hughes or

1180
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:17,490
Patrick Hughes and we are talking about

1181
00:54:25,539 --> 00:54:21,359
the UF the Nimitz USS Nimitz UFO

1182
00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:25,549
incident fascinating story if you ask me

1183
00:54:33,730 --> 00:54:29,099
overall and you know I forgot where we

1184
00:54:36,740 --> 00:54:33,740
were when we went to break but I did say

1185
00:54:41,809 --> 00:54:36,750
what I did do remember is that I wanted

1186
00:54:48,460 --> 00:54:41,819
PJ to tell his story and so PJ if you

1187
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:48,470
would please do talk about what happened

1188
00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:51,240
just remind everybody I do speak for two

1189
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:53,940
people I speak for myself and I speak to

1190
00:54:58,490 --> 00:54:56,609
Roger who who wants to me anonymous and

1191
00:54:59,000 --> 00:54:58,500
you can thank Dave baby for the the

1192
00:55:02,660 --> 00:54:59,010
Roger

1193
00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:02,670
Monica needed a way to talk about it

1194
00:55:08,180 --> 00:55:05,700
without using his name but uh like I

1195
00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:08,190
said it earlier I was I'm a avionics

1196
00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:09,540
mechanic I fixed the radar the

1197
00:55:15,799 --> 00:55:11,700
communications navigation Quinten and

1198
00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:15,809
all that on the Hawkeye and we launched

1199
00:55:19,309 --> 00:55:17,430
the airplanes we recover the airplanes

1200
00:55:22,339 --> 00:55:19,319
and it's a routine cycle we're out to

1201
00:55:23,809 --> 00:55:22,349
sea and usually when we launch an

1202
00:55:26,329 --> 00:55:23,819
airplane the same person's up there to

1203
00:55:27,950 --> 00:55:26,339
catch the airplane and we put all that

1204
00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:27,960
classified material in the airplane when

1205
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:29,430
the launches take it all back out when

1206
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:31,380
we've done make sure you know nothing

1207
00:55:36,289 --> 00:55:33,049
broke nothing got lost

1208
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:36,299
but I'm a particular day of commander

1209
00:55:43,069 --> 00:55:39,210
freighters intercept when all the

1210
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:43,079
tic-tacs stuff happened I had launched a

1211
00:55:49,539 --> 00:55:46,890
Hawkeye routine mission you know nothing

1212
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:49,549
special is going on

1213
00:55:55,250 --> 00:55:52,530
nothing special was related to us during

1214
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:55,260
the flight they normally radio back to

1215
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,090
the ship on the way back

1216
00:56:03,050 --> 00:55:59,520
know if there any major problems nothing

1217
00:56:05,090 --> 00:56:03,060
was said the air crew landed

1218
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,100
you know they normally let her smell if

1219
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:07,680
anything throw still nothing we said you

1220
00:56:12,980 --> 00:56:09,570
know the five five guys in the airplane

1221
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:12,990
off took off downstairs together I go in

1222
00:56:17,890 --> 00:56:14,730
the airplane check my stuff I pull out

1223
00:56:21,050 --> 00:56:17,900
my we call them our MCS we call bricks

1224
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:21,060
essentially hard drives that store data

1225
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:23,730
from the airplane and run some of the

1226
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:26,010
airplane systems and these we don't

1227
00:56:31,550 --> 00:56:27,510
leave an airplane they get stored in our

1228
00:56:33,860 --> 00:56:31,560
safe so I take these all out I finish my

1229
00:56:36,290 --> 00:56:33,870
stuff I walk down to my ship my shop in

1230
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,300
the on the ship and store all this stuff

1231
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:38,240
and our safe so we have to open the safe

1232
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:40,710
put it all in we sign it in it's all

1233
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:43,410
tracked no close the safe when we're

1234
00:56:48,860 --> 00:56:46,710
done yeah then a couple minutes I still

1235
00:56:51,140 --> 00:56:48,870
don't remember the exact time frame

1236
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:51,150
well my commanding officer comes knocks

1237
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:53,610
on a door and it's weird for one because

1238
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:55,170
we're off in the middle of nowhere my

1239
00:56:59,840 --> 00:56:56,640
commanding officer rarely comes by a

1240
00:57:04,760 --> 00:56:59,850
shop usually if he does we were in

1241
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:04,770
trouble so when he shows up there and we

1242
00:57:09,170 --> 00:57:06,330
open the door it's very small work space

1243
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:09,180
it's very small hallway he's got two

1244
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:10,890
guys and they're floor slight suits with

1245
00:57:18,310 --> 00:57:14,280
it they couldn't tell you what rank

1246
00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:18,320
anything but there's distinctive

1247
00:57:21,740 --> 00:57:20,280
differences between the Navy flights

1248
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:21,750
even an Air Force flight suit even

1249
00:57:28,070 --> 00:57:24,960
readily tell know who's who not to

1250
00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:28,080
mention you know who's on the ship even

1251
00:57:32,690 --> 00:57:29,400
when it's 5,000 people on an aircraft

1252
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:32,700
carrier in your own world which my world

1253
00:57:36,170 --> 00:57:34,170
was the aviation side you knew who was

1254
00:57:38,180 --> 00:57:36,180
there I might not have been able to tell

1255
00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:38,190
half of who almost Omar's co-workers

1256
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:40,200
were but I knew who was in the aviation

1257
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:45,000
side and he basically says I need to

1258
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:47,730
stuff off off that flight so we have to

1259
00:57:51,020 --> 00:57:48,900
open up our safe

1260
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:51,030
he had she had way dominicans the

1261
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:52,740
two-sided safe means to combination

1262
00:57:55,310 --> 00:57:54,090
science way for the other half to come

1263
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:55,320
back they had gone to the bathroom and

1264
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:56,610
get a chunk of something I'm quite

1265
00:58:00,920 --> 00:57:57,930
remember

1266
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:00,930
pulse it out you know he turns him to

1267
00:58:05,660 --> 00:58:03,510
see the Air Force officers I asked him

1268
00:58:09,380 --> 00:58:05,670
you know who am i signing me out to we

1269
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:09,390
we have tracked this stuff so he says

1270
00:58:12,529 --> 00:58:10,410
basically sign it out

1271
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:12,539
to me as in my commanding officer and

1272
00:58:17,450 --> 00:58:14,970
they took off and that was last I ever

1273
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:17,460
saw those uh those hard drives that's

1274
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:19,530
the last I ever saw those efforts got

1275
00:58:23,420 --> 00:58:22,559
secret now is this this very unusual is

1276
00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:23,430
that the only time this has ever

1277
00:58:28,279 --> 00:58:26,520
happened the only time we ever usually

1278
00:58:31,779 --> 00:58:28,289
mailed off those hard drives is if we

1279
00:58:34,849 --> 00:58:31,789
were running basically tests for

1280
00:58:38,420 --> 00:58:34,859
Raytheon whose company behind a lot of

1281
00:58:39,740 --> 00:58:38,430
the the software so it was a those rare

1282
00:58:43,059 --> 00:58:39,750
occurrence that our commanding officer

1283
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:43,069
came and took anything of ours let alone

1284
00:58:47,630 --> 00:58:46,049
took that stuff because he's got guys

1285
00:58:49,849 --> 00:58:47,640
subordinate to him who are in charge of

1286
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:49,859
all the classified materials so if it

1287
00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:51,839
was a normal routine thing he would have

1288
00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:55,260
sent his minions so to speak not himself

1289
00:59:03,170 --> 00:58:58,730
to come get it and and you said this

1290
00:59:06,589 --> 00:59:03,180
this was by an Air Force officer or I

1291
00:59:08,299 --> 00:59:06,599
believe you said that accompanied yours

1292
00:59:10,190 --> 00:59:08,309
yeah yet like that he had two guys in

1293
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:10,200
the Air Force like suits with him and so

1294
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:12,530
you can assume they jumped on board a

1295
00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:16,890
chopper or something and there's only

1296
00:59:20,839 --> 00:59:18,390
two ways on a board an aircraft carrier

1297
00:59:23,779 --> 00:59:20,849
when you have to see that's Hilo or c2

1298
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:23,789
Graham I also worked on the Greyhound so

1299
00:59:27,650 --> 00:59:25,680
I know they didn't come on that which

1300
00:59:29,779 --> 00:59:27,660
means they came on a helo but the

1301
00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:29,789
problem with the helos is they pop in

1302
00:59:35,059 --> 00:59:32,520
and out so often it it's you know

1303
00:59:37,789 --> 00:59:35,069
they're landing in between every flight

1304
00:59:39,380 --> 00:59:37,799
every in the launch cycle so it's hard

1305
00:59:42,620 --> 00:59:39,390
to track who actually comes and goes on

1306
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:42,630
those so who knows when they actually

1307
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:46,410
got there they weren't there you know

1308
00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:48,930
early I know that much so it's very

1309
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:51,000
interesting because you know obviously

1310
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:53,849
the data is being you know wreath was

1311
00:59:58,930 --> 00:59:56,640
researched or you know hidden maybe

1312
01:00:01,760 --> 00:59:58,940
became top-secret or something who knows

1313
01:00:05,059 --> 01:00:01,770
but they definitely had you know enough

1314
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:05,069
to go on there to be concerned enough to

1315
01:00:10,130 --> 01:00:07,410
take this type of action

1316
01:00:15,529 --> 01:00:10,140
and without anything else happened

1317
01:00:18,650 --> 01:00:15,539
following that um Roger who like I said

1318
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:18,660
was airborne during that flight and who

1319
01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:21,450
saw the tic-tac with the crew they came

1320
01:00:25,250 --> 01:00:23,220
back went straight down to the skiff

1321
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:25,260
which is a

1322
01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:27,420
it's a secure classified information

1323
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:29,640
facility it's basically a room where you

1324
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:30,930
can't hear anything outside it you can

1325
01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:33,690
talk about what you need to they went in

1326
01:00:38,660 --> 01:00:35,940
they were debriefed and signed NDA's

1327
01:00:41,089 --> 01:00:38,670
I don't know the extent of their debrief

1328
01:00:42,529 --> 01:00:41,099
because Rogers not sharing that and I

1329
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,539
don't blame him

1330
01:00:49,309 --> 01:00:45,119
he's shared more than enough then yeah

1331
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:49,319
then he probably needs to they were

1332
01:00:56,289 --> 01:00:54,000
debriefed and Roger loved to fly he was

1333
01:00:58,519 --> 01:00:56,299
the only enlisted guy who routinely flew

1334
01:01:00,769 --> 01:00:58,529
so when he came back to the shop you

1335
01:01:02,809 --> 01:01:00,779
could tell he was not in the same type

1336
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:02,819
of mood he normally adds and he was

1337
01:01:06,259 --> 01:01:04,170
normally happy-go-lucky every time he

1338
01:01:09,529 --> 01:01:06,269
got to flying he was kind of in a

1339
01:01:11,029 --> 01:01:09,539
serious mood and he started to tell us

1340
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:11,039
what's going on and this is well after

1341
01:01:13,339 --> 01:01:12,809
they had taken our hard drives and

1342
01:01:15,410 --> 01:01:13,349
everything

1343
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:15,420
he cannot start to tell us what the

1344
01:01:18,589 --> 01:01:16,799
flight happened or what happened during

1345
01:01:21,049 --> 01:01:18,599
his flight you could tell he was kind of

1346
01:01:23,019 --> 01:01:21,059
shaken but uh our division chief

1347
01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:23,029
happened to return at the same time and

1348
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,750
basically interrupted the conversation

1349
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,880
he said well this is not something

1350
01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:28,160
you're supposed to be talking about

1351
01:01:31,549 --> 01:01:30,059
conversation ended and that's really the

1352
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:31,559
last we ever spoke of it until after I

1353
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:35,369
saw Dave's video and reconnected with

1354
01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:38,880
some people can you III know it's

1355
01:01:48,970 --> 01:01:41,640
secondhand but can you go over with what

1356
01:01:56,900 --> 01:01:54,650
that time of you know training cycle our

1357
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:56,910
radar was a lot less of a priority they

1358
01:02:01,940 --> 01:01:59,039
wanted CC stuff they were chaining CC

1359
01:02:03,620 --> 01:02:01,950
they were testing CC they were work

1360
01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:03,630
everything was about CC at that period

1361
01:02:09,890 --> 01:02:07,740
of time so radar to my knowledge was not

1362
01:02:11,299 --> 01:02:09,900
operating it was on but it wasn't

1363
01:02:13,490 --> 01:02:11,309
operating which means those windows were

1364
01:02:16,249 --> 01:02:13,500
open even if the windows and back were

1365
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:16,259
open the cockpits fully open you know

1366
01:02:21,799 --> 01:02:20,400
they have almost 260 degree view out of

1367
01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:21,809
that pocket with how much they can see

1368
01:02:27,620 --> 01:02:24,420
between the windows so people would have

1369
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:27,630
seen stuff but according to Roger the

1370
01:02:33,380 --> 01:02:31,200
tic-tac kind of formed up with them for

1371
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:33,390
five ten seconds long enough for them to

1372
01:02:38,210 --> 01:02:34,890
kind of get a good look at and then just

1373
01:02:41,329 --> 01:02:38,220
peeled off and what about its business

1374
01:02:44,299 --> 01:02:41,339
and I was never aware that from Roger at

1375
01:02:47,089 --> 01:02:44,309
the time I said this didn't come until

1376
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:47,099
we had like a nice long conversation

1377
01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:52,049
after after the fact mm-hmm - Dean did

1378
01:02:58,609 --> 01:02:54,510
did they talk about speeds or anything

1379
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:58,619
at that time um no the problem with the

1380
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:00,119
Hawkeye at that amount of time is that

1381
01:03:05,089 --> 01:03:02,250
the radars not that sophisticated

1382
01:03:08,660 --> 01:03:05,099
anymore it was starting to be at the end

1383
01:03:10,370 --> 01:03:08,670
of its life in my opinion we could track

1384
01:03:12,770 --> 01:03:10,380
the tape deck and the tic-tac was

1385
01:03:15,740 --> 01:03:12,780
tracked by the Hawkeye just not to the

1386
01:03:18,859 --> 01:03:15,750
extent by one track it you know

1387
01:03:20,809 --> 01:03:18,869
basically our radar moved too slow right

1388
01:03:23,210 --> 01:03:20,819
let's see there was a question that I

1389
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:23,220
was going to ask you we talked about

1390
01:03:31,730 --> 01:03:26,010
during the break oh yes here it is right

1391
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:31,740
here can you go into the detail about

1392
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:34,530
the radar blocking effect if there was

1393
01:03:42,980 --> 01:03:37,680
one that the tic-tac seemed to

1394
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:42,990
demonstrate the when it comes to jamming

1395
01:03:49,490 --> 01:03:46,730
the radar it's really really hard and

1396
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:49,500
about the only people I know who have

1397
01:03:57,370 --> 01:03:54,720
that technology to do that is us but the

1398
01:04:01,030 --> 01:03:57,380
radar on the hawk that was not jammed

1399
01:04:04,339 --> 01:04:01,040
the radar on the Princeton wasn't jammed

1400
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:04,349
Gary Voorhees who was one of the texts

1401
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:06,690
on the Princeton has spoken more than

1402
01:04:10,730 --> 01:04:09,119
one so they thought their spy one was

1403
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:10,740
have an issue they thought it was acting

1404
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:13,290
up - you took the system down to you

1405
01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:15,569
know clean reboot and do all their stuff

1406
01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:18,119
so they were seeing what they were

1407
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:19,740
seeing then they determined after they'd

1408
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:22,049
be you know brought the system back

1409
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:23,520
online that they were getting accurate

1410
01:04:30,049 --> 01:04:27,690
targets that there was no Janet I see so

1411
01:04:32,270 --> 01:04:30,059
the whole jamming idea came up just

1412
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:32,280
because it was so spectacular what they

1413
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:36,690
were seeing that I've read in some of

1414
01:04:43,220 --> 01:04:40,290
the official reports that I've seen that

1415
01:04:46,220 --> 01:04:43,230
the Jayhawk I you know wasn't tracking

1416
01:04:47,329 --> 01:04:46,230
it and that's not true it might not have

1417
01:04:49,789 --> 01:04:47,339
constantly tracked it to the

1418
01:04:51,470 --> 01:04:49,799
effectiveness by one because it's a huge

1419
01:04:53,030 --> 01:04:51,480
generation gap in the spy

1420
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:53,040
one radar in the afternoons what are you

1421
01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:56,640
a vibrator but the hawk I tracked it um

1422
01:05:00,080 --> 01:04:58,740
they might have had to be guided to it

1423
01:05:02,030 --> 01:05:00,090
they might have to get a little coaching

1424
01:05:04,310 --> 01:05:02,040
from the Princeton but the Hawkeye

1425
01:05:06,740 --> 01:05:04,320
trapped it that's the only thing I can

1426
01:05:08,780 --> 01:05:06,750
think of why jamming was what's

1427
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:08,790
discussed at all well you know one of

1428
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:12,960
the one of the jamming topics came up

1429
01:05:20,660 --> 01:05:17,130
with one of the f-18 pilots that I

1430
01:05:22,190 --> 01:05:20,670
believe it was in the second flight you

1431
01:05:23,930 --> 01:05:22,200
know coming into favor mentioned on

1432
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:23,940
fighter pilot podcast at a chat

1433
01:05:30,620 --> 01:05:26,880
Underwood was the guy that filmed the at

1434
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:30,630
FLIR video that we have and I believe it

1435
01:05:35,450 --> 01:05:32,310
was that flight that talked about it and

1436
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:35,460
they said that there were no jamming

1437
01:05:41,020 --> 01:05:38,160
cues champagne bubbles I think they

1438
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:41,030
called said that they were in the the

1439
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:44,130
weapons system officer said that he

1440
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,400
thought that the aasa' radar on the f-18

1441
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:49,680
just could not hack it in other words

1442
01:05:54,830 --> 01:05:53,010
the object itself perhaps had a radar

1443
01:05:58,220 --> 01:05:54,840
cross-section that made it very

1444
01:06:02,060 --> 01:05:58,230
difficult to get a attract a lock on it

1445
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:02,070
from that no f-18 onboard radar system

1446
01:06:08,450 --> 01:06:05,910
whereas the spy-1 bravo radar was much

1447
01:06:10,990 --> 01:06:08,460
more sophisticated so that it did come

1448
01:06:13,730 --> 01:06:11,000
up and I believe on ABC Nightline

1449
01:06:15,530 --> 01:06:13,740
commander favor and some of those

1450
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:15,540
initial interviews to say that he

1451
01:06:22,700 --> 01:06:19,710
thought that he witnessed some jamming

1452
01:06:25,250 --> 01:06:22,710
indication on his radar system so again

1453
01:06:25,790 --> 01:06:25,260
that would be a question for him right

1454
01:06:28,849 --> 01:06:25,800
right

1455
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:28,859
Dave are you since you're talking now

1456
01:06:35,420 --> 01:06:32,730
are you for working on this film can you

1457
01:06:36,970 --> 01:06:35,430
tell the listening audience some of the

1458
01:06:39,950 --> 01:06:36,980
people that you worked with that

1459
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:39,960
assisted you with you know the different

1460
01:06:45,020 --> 01:06:43,440
aspects of your film regard yeah sure

1461
01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:45,030
mm-hmm

1462
01:06:49,220 --> 01:06:47,070
you know going back to the very

1463
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:49,230
beginning I tried to reach out to

1464
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:51,210
everybody that I could I did try to

1465
01:06:56,990 --> 01:06:53,609
identify the flight crews that were

1466
01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:57,000
there in the beginning and find out who

1467
01:07:02,510 --> 01:06:59,400
was in each airplane of course we know

1468
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:02,520
that you know in some of those reports

1469
01:07:06,980 --> 01:07:04,890
the names are redacted and

1470
01:07:10,940 --> 01:07:06,990
that those individuals did not want to

1471
01:07:14,030 --> 01:07:10,950
come forward I did find out that you

1472
01:07:17,150 --> 01:07:14,040
know the pilot of the second jet of

1473
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:17,160
commander flavors flight was a woman who

1474
01:07:22,310 --> 01:07:20,370
does not want to her name to be used in

1475
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:22,320
the backseat of that plane was commander

1476
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:25,290
Jim slate who appeared in several media

1477
01:07:32,270 --> 01:07:29,850
reports so I did reach out on several of

1478
01:07:34,340 --> 01:07:32,280
those individuals help me a little bit

1479
01:07:38,410 --> 01:07:34,350
it was kind of difficult to pull

1480
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:38,420
information from that side of it when

1481
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:42,930
senior chief Kevin day arrived in kind

1482
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:46,290
of my world where I could contact him he

1483
01:07:50,300 --> 01:07:48,240
was very open to helping me with

1484
01:07:52,580 --> 01:07:50,310
questions that I had because in doing a

1485
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:52,590
recreation I wanted it to be as accurate

1486
01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:56,010
as possible and that's not only you know

1487
01:08:03,260 --> 01:07:58,140
the position of the ships where things

1488
01:08:06,830 --> 01:08:03,270
were the location the the the radio

1489
01:08:10,370 --> 01:08:06,840
calls for instance his assistance was

1490
01:08:13,790 --> 01:08:10,380
invaluable helping me to come up with

1491
01:08:15,650 --> 01:08:13,800
you know what what the Princeton air

1492
01:08:17,530 --> 01:08:15,660
controllers were saying to the pilots

1493
01:08:20,780 --> 01:08:17,540
what would have happened because

1494
01:08:23,780 --> 01:08:20,790
initially the Hawkeye would have had

1495
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:23,790
control of fast Eagle that's you know

1496
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:25,770
how it works in those air training

1497
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:27,810
exercises it's not the Princeton that's

1498
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:30,090
usually doing the controlling it's the

1499
01:08:36,260 --> 01:08:32,490
Hawkeye but in this case they took

1500
01:08:37,790 --> 01:08:36,270
control so they helped me there there

1501
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:37,800
were other individuals that gave me

1502
01:08:45,380 --> 01:08:41,690
assistance as far as the Jets and the

1503
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:45,390
you know the squadron IDs on the planes

1504
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:48,330
all that all the way down to the you

1505
01:08:54,440 --> 01:08:51,170
know the decals on the planes and so on

1506
01:08:57,440 --> 01:08:54,450
so quite a few quite a few people in a

1507
01:09:00,920 --> 01:08:57,450
lot of the witnesses such as pja did

1508
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:00,930
help me when I had a question about you

1509
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,170
know what kind of data was confiscated

1510
01:09:10,670 --> 01:09:06,480
why were they interested in this

1511
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:10,680
specific information you know he could

1512
01:09:15,350 --> 01:09:13,290
explain that he in you know again none

1513
01:09:16,940 --> 01:09:15,360
of these individuals ever you know what

1514
01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:16,950
passed anything that was classified

1515
01:09:22,249 --> 01:09:18,839
would mean fact they direct me

1516
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:22,259
to the Internet to an AV site to

1517
01:09:26,780 --> 01:09:24,810
describe for instance the CEC system you

1518
01:09:29,300 --> 01:09:26,790
can read a description on the US Navy's

1519
01:09:32,329 --> 01:09:29,310
website of what that system is even it's

1520
01:09:35,629 --> 01:09:32,339
a highly classified sensor you can get

1521
01:09:38,180 --> 01:09:35,639
an idea of what it does and then other

1522
01:09:40,879 --> 01:09:38,190
you know data that was on those hard

1523
01:09:42,649 --> 01:09:40,889
drives for instance what what was it

1524
01:09:45,530 --> 01:09:42,659
that these officials were coming to take

1525
01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:45,540
and he would explain to me what you know

1526
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:49,560
the value of that data would be so I did

1527
01:09:54,140 --> 01:09:51,359
receive a lot of insistence that's good

1528
01:09:56,750 --> 01:09:54,150
now what about what about the UFO

1529
01:09:59,600 --> 01:09:56,760
community has anyone actually reached

1530
01:10:03,229 --> 01:09:59,610
out to you from the UFO community and

1531
01:10:04,669 --> 01:10:03,239
helped yeah what when I first started

1532
01:10:06,770 --> 01:10:04,679
this I the first thing I did before

1533
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:06,780
Haven started doing a film was I created

1534
01:10:14,419 --> 01:10:11,489
a Facebook group and you know yeah and I

1535
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:14,429
was out there trying to seek individuals

1536
01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:17,280
that had information that could point me

1537
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:19,860
in the right direction and you know some

1538
01:10:26,180 --> 01:10:22,290
of the first people you know dr. Bruce

1539
01:10:29,149 --> 01:10:26,190
Maccabee rich Hoffman of the scientific

1540
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:29,159
Coalition of ufology once they saw that

1541
01:10:33,169 --> 01:10:31,920
I was asking you know intelligent

1542
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:33,179
questions and using critical thinking

1543
01:10:38,270 --> 01:10:35,340
that I wasn't just jumping to a

1544
01:10:40,129 --> 01:10:38,280
conclusion that these are ATT spacecraft

1545
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:40,139
that I was saying you know what are

1546
01:10:45,140 --> 01:10:43,110
these this is very interesting then they

1547
01:10:46,910 --> 01:10:45,150
sort of kind of helped me and they would

1548
01:10:49,689 --> 01:10:46,920
put me in touch with other individuals

1549
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:49,699
that were trying to do scientific

1550
01:10:52,850 --> 01:10:52,080
analytically based research on this

1551
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:52,860
material

1552
01:10:59,479 --> 01:10:56,489
so that's great that's great I like to

1553
01:11:03,859 --> 01:10:59,489
see that happen did Robert Powell and

1554
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:03,869
you ever have a conversation yeah we

1555
01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:06,960
were sort of on parallel tracks he was

1556
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:09,510
very involved in his research paper that

1557
01:11:17,419 --> 01:11:12,690
he recently published along with the

1558
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:17,429
other researchers at SCU during that

1559
01:11:20,780 --> 01:11:19,260
during the last year and a half while he

1560
01:11:23,209 --> 01:11:20,790
was conducting that research I found

1561
01:11:25,370 --> 01:11:23,219
that a lot of times we were kind of on

1562
01:11:30,530 --> 01:11:25,380
parallel tracks as far as Freedom of

1563
01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:30,540
Information request and so on I have to

1564
01:11:34,250 --> 01:11:32,340
say you know a

1565
01:11:37,399 --> 01:11:34,260
lot of his stuff was really valuable I

1566
01:11:39,410 --> 01:11:37,409
would look at his some of his blog posts

1567
01:11:42,290 --> 01:11:39,420
and so on and it kind of gave me ideas

1568
01:11:43,850 --> 01:11:42,300
and if I did get a document I tried to

1569
01:11:47,209 --> 01:11:43,860
share it with him but usually he already

1570
01:11:50,050 --> 01:11:47,219
had it so we discovered yeah together I

1571
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:50,060
mean we discovered different things I I

1572
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:52,320
gave him the names of some of the

1573
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:54,090
witnesses if he wanted to interview them

1574
01:11:58,850 --> 01:11:57,210
I did you know he didn't really reveal

1575
01:12:00,979 --> 01:11:58,860
too much I think his investigations he

1576
01:12:03,379 --> 01:12:00,989
tries to keep everything you know close

1577
01:12:06,919 --> 01:12:03,389
to the vest cuz that's just a technique

1578
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:06,929
he uses but yeah yeah I get that so I'm

1579
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:10,080
opening up the lines I don't know if I

1580
01:12:14,780 --> 01:12:11,520
went over this with my guest but I'm

1581
01:12:17,689 --> 01:12:14,790
gonna open up the phone lines and caller

1582
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:17,699
can call in and ask any one of our three

1583
01:12:22,939 --> 01:12:20,880
guests separately or just a general

1584
01:12:26,810 --> 01:12:22,949
question and that numbers up on the

1585
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:26,820
screen in YouTube if we were over at kgr

1586
01:12:34,820 --> 01:12:30,239
a radio that number is six oh three nine

1587
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:34,830
six seven four OH three oh this this new

1588
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:36,449
Skype is driving me crazy because you're

1589
01:12:40,399 --> 01:12:38,250
going in and I have this big huge screen

1590
01:12:42,379 --> 01:12:40,409
and I have to keep changing things

1591
01:12:44,629 --> 01:12:42,389
you're right we're gonna have a new

1592
01:12:46,970 --> 01:12:44,639
system hopefully by next week and Skype

1593
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:46,980
will be out which I'm pretty pretty

1594
01:12:49,939 --> 01:12:47,610
happy about

1595
01:12:53,359 --> 01:12:49,949
so again if anyone wants to call in ask

1596
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:53,369
any one of our guests a question the

1597
01:12:55,490 --> 01:12:55,170
time is now you can call in the line is

1598
01:13:02,080 --> 01:12:55,500
open

1599
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:02,090
and let's see so I'm wondering as far as

1600
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:04,530
these people getting a hold of you like

1601
01:13:11,330 --> 01:13:09,060
both Omar in p/j have you had anyone

1602
01:13:14,180 --> 01:13:11,340
actually tried to get in touch with you

1603
01:13:16,850 --> 01:13:14,190
that was sort of hoaxing something have

1604
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:16,860
you had any of that experience you no

1605
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:20,940
sir not at all nothing that's good Dave

1606
01:13:28,370 --> 01:13:22,650
have you had anyone contact you that

1607
01:13:31,220 --> 01:13:28,380
didn't pan out not that I can think of I

1608
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:31,230
mean I well to be honest when you go

1609
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,050
outside of the nimitz events I did have

1610
01:13:40,189 --> 01:13:36,719
people contact me with sort of

1611
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:40,199
remarkable stories that seemed

1612
01:13:43,700 --> 01:13:42,060
unbelievable but in the beginning you

1613
01:13:45,930 --> 01:13:43,710
know when somebody would tell me a story

1614
01:13:48,090 --> 01:13:45,940
about a navy vessel and encounter

1615
01:13:50,580 --> 01:13:48,100
you know I would listen with an open

1616
01:13:53,879 --> 01:13:50,590
mind and then sometimes in the end you'd

1617
01:13:55,229 --> 01:13:53,889
find out that that is impossible what

1618
01:13:57,629 --> 01:13:55,239
you're saying even though I think you

1619
01:14:00,270 --> 01:13:57,639
may even believe it yourself so yeah I

1620
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:00,280
did receive some communications from

1621
01:14:05,790 --> 01:14:03,510
individuals that you know I'm not sure

1622
01:14:09,180 --> 01:14:05,800
why they were telling me things that

1623
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:09,190
were incorrect but again I think that

1624
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:11,199
does happen when you put yourself out

1625
01:14:13,050 --> 01:14:12,489
there and you ask for people to come

1626
01:14:15,149 --> 01:14:13,060
forward

1627
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:15,159
maybe it's delusional or not I'm not

1628
01:14:20,490 --> 01:14:17,679
sure yeah every now and then that'll

1629
01:14:23,790 --> 01:14:20,500
happen sometimes I think some of the

1630
01:14:25,860 --> 01:14:23,800
really bizarre sightings seem more

1631
01:14:27,419 --> 01:14:25,870
truthful than me

1632
01:14:29,459 --> 01:14:27,429
you know mundane ones I mean they're

1633
01:14:32,010 --> 01:14:29,469
just some things that you hear about

1634
01:14:33,450 --> 01:14:32,020
that it just so like I mean you can't

1635
01:14:35,370 --> 01:14:33,460
even picture someone making these things

1636
01:14:37,470 --> 01:14:35,380
up I mean some of them are just really

1637
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:37,480
incredible some of the ones that I've

1638
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:42,330
heard you know I've I got some amazing

1639
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:46,330
reports that you know in the future I

1640
01:14:50,899 --> 01:14:49,360
want to tell people about because you

1641
01:14:54,060 --> 01:14:50,909
know some of these were multiple witness

1642
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:54,070
sightings from Coast Guard vessels and

1643
01:14:58,530 --> 01:14:56,650
Navy vessels and so on that stretch back

1644
01:15:00,320 --> 01:14:58,540
you know wait before the nimitz

1645
01:15:03,930 --> 01:15:00,330
encounters but there's still like

1646
01:15:07,290 --> 01:15:03,940
valuable historical cases that you know

1647
01:15:08,430 --> 01:15:07,300
maybe have never been heard before we

1648
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:08,440
have a caller on the line

1649
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:12,400
caller first please unmute your computer

1650
01:15:17,610 --> 01:15:15,120
or listening device police caller I

1651
01:15:19,890 --> 01:15:17,620
apologize about that yeah so anyone that

1652
01:15:22,169 --> 01:15:19,900
calls our I did make sure you mute your

1653
01:15:24,060 --> 01:15:22,179
listening device whether it's a computer

1654
01:15:26,370 --> 01:15:24,070
or phone or whatever call your first

1655
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:26,380
name where you calling from hi this is

1656
01:15:30,270 --> 01:15:28,480
Adam from New York how you doing hi Adam

1657
01:15:31,649 --> 01:15:30,280
how are you and you have a question we

1658
01:15:36,330 --> 01:15:31,659
have three guests you have the question

1659
01:15:39,390 --> 01:15:36,340
to direct to anyone in particular I just

1660
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:39,400
wanted to point over a statement in

1661
01:15:42,540 --> 01:15:40,690
question first of all I really

1662
01:15:46,740 --> 01:15:42,550
appreciate you guys coming out with this

1663
01:15:49,260 --> 01:15:46,750
story you know I was in it I got back

1664
01:15:52,530 --> 01:15:49,270
into this thing from the New York Times

1665
01:15:55,530 --> 01:15:52,540
article in 2017 and I just want to ask

1666
01:15:58,410 --> 01:15:55,540
you guys on being that this is an actual

1667
01:15:59,250 --> 01:15:58,420
real phenomenon real subject what can we

1668
01:16:01,200 --> 01:15:59,260
do to kind of get

1669
01:16:02,970 --> 01:16:01,210
this information out more to the public

1670
01:16:06,210 --> 01:16:02,980
because I kind of feel like it's almost

1671
01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:06,220
all of our responsibility to make this a

1672
01:16:11,220 --> 01:16:09,490
more credible subject and I feel like I

1673
01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:11,230
can't help but to feel like it's still I

1674
01:16:18,540 --> 01:16:15,550
mean looked at in kind of a letter joke

1675
01:16:19,950 --> 01:16:18,550
way at this point but I've got a lot of

1676
01:16:21,420 --> 01:16:19,960
conversations and I just want to know

1677
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:21,430
what you guys think about what I can do

1678
01:16:25,710 --> 01:16:23,110
or what we can do for our parts to

1679
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:25,720
spread the story so other people come on

1680
01:16:30,300 --> 01:16:27,570
make this a more credible law subject

1681
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:30,310
that's like much basically Thank You

1682
01:16:34,410 --> 01:16:32,050
Debbie okay if I answer that mr. Willis

1683
01:16:38,220 --> 01:16:34,420
yes go right ahead Omar Adam you said

1684
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:38,230
your name was sir huh yeah yes sir

1685
01:16:44,430 --> 01:16:41,170
if I would have known of the subculture

1686
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:44,440
of the UFO ology the minute I got out of

1687
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:46,570
the service I would have jumped on it

1688
01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:49,210
and told someone this story that was the

1689
01:16:53,970 --> 01:16:51,910
thing I did not know of any Avenue to

1690
01:16:56,850 --> 01:16:53,980
take I didn't know of mr. Beatty or

1691
01:17:00,210 --> 01:16:56,860
Souls just like this one with mr. Willis

1692
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:00,220
and on a Hondo or any of the thing like

1693
01:17:07,890 --> 01:17:04,090
I said it wasn't until I read dr. by

1694
01:17:11,220 --> 01:17:07,900
Annie Jacobs in 2016 that I knew of

1695
01:17:13,140 --> 01:17:11,230
individuals name such as George Knapp

1696
01:17:17,810 --> 01:17:13,150
and then I started digging in and

1697
01:17:22,050 --> 01:17:17,820
finding shoals like this and reports of

1698
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:22,060
incidents such as mine so I that's a

1699
01:17:26,250 --> 01:17:23,770
good question I really don't know i

1700
01:17:29,250 --> 01:17:26,260
don't think it's talked about as much as

1701
01:17:31,290 --> 01:17:29,260
mainstream it pops up and then it'll

1702
01:17:34,260 --> 01:17:31,300
definitely go away just as fast as in

1703
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:34,270
the other news story that pops up true

1704
01:17:38,670 --> 01:17:36,730
Dave you know what go ahead yeah one one

1705
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:38,680
thing that I would say and I don't I

1706
01:17:43,470 --> 01:17:40,000
know other people have been doing this

1707
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:43,480
is when we do have news reports that

1708
01:17:48,900 --> 01:17:45,040
come across our feed

1709
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:48,910
for instance the US Navy's recent

1710
01:17:53,010 --> 01:17:50,530
announcement that that they would be

1711
01:17:55,380 --> 01:17:53,020
implementing procedures and policies for

1712
01:17:58,260 --> 01:17:55,390
service members to report these

1713
01:18:01,170 --> 01:17:58,270
incidents and that was reported in

1714
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:01,180
Politico and other you know major news

1715
01:18:06,570 --> 01:18:04,570
organizations it's a very serious you

1716
01:18:08,700 --> 01:18:06,580
know discussion and you can always share

1717
01:18:11,940 --> 01:18:08,710
that I mean social media is so powerful

1718
01:18:12,609 --> 01:18:11,950
these days that if you do share it you

1719
01:18:14,169 --> 01:18:12,619
know with the people

1720
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:14,179
you know say take a look at this and

1721
01:18:19,169 --> 01:18:16,489
it's not I mean when it's coming from

1722
01:18:22,359 --> 01:18:19,179
that source I think it's more readily

1723
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:22,369
digestible than like a tabloid or

1724
01:18:27,069 --> 01:18:24,050
something like that and there's other

1725
01:18:31,179 --> 01:18:27,079
ones on last week on Tyler Rove away

1726
01:18:34,419 --> 01:18:31,189
whose aviation journalist came out with

1727
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:34,429
a really interesting story on on the US

1728
01:18:41,709 --> 01:18:39,679
Navy's policies you know on his site

1729
01:18:45,069 --> 01:18:41,719
called the drive so again that's a very

1730
01:18:47,649 --> 01:18:45,079
you know critical thinking mainstream

1731
01:18:49,959 --> 01:18:47,659
piece of information you can share with

1732
01:18:52,299 --> 01:18:49,969
people other people have said you know

1733
01:18:55,119 --> 01:18:52,309
even my video they they've they've

1734
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:55,129
shared with other people because a lot

1735
01:18:59,139 --> 01:18:56,449
of people don't even know about it even

1736
01:19:01,330 --> 01:18:59,149
though you know in our kind of circle we

1737
01:19:03,729 --> 01:19:01,340
know all about it and people say I'll

1738
01:19:06,250 --> 01:19:03,739
stop talking him up Nimitz we're sick of

1739
01:19:09,459 --> 01:19:06,260
hearing about it but yeah I mean I think

1740
01:19:11,319 --> 01:19:09,469
not everyone even you know if you if you

1741
01:19:12,879 --> 01:19:11,329
went out there and polled people we're a

1742
01:19:15,369 --> 01:19:12,889
very small percentage of people that

1743
01:19:17,379 --> 01:19:15,379
have ever even heard of it so yeah yeah

1744
01:19:20,770 --> 01:19:17,389
yeah well I just want to let you guys

1745
01:19:23,379 --> 01:19:20,780
know that I did share I I did I do like

1746
01:19:25,629 --> 01:19:23,389
incessantly I did share the information

1747
01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:25,639
it was a lot that there was a fox they

1748
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:27,260
even did a thing Tucker Carlson did it

1749
01:19:31,330 --> 01:19:29,090
last week on the new Navy policies I

1750
01:19:33,100 --> 01:19:31,340
shared that and I shared the political

1751
01:19:35,409 --> 01:19:33,110
story and the time of Rockaway I've

1752
01:19:37,229 --> 01:19:35,419
shared that and I saw you guys know man

1753
01:19:39,429 --> 01:19:37,239
that I'm doing my part as just a regular

1754
01:19:41,379 --> 01:19:39,439
civilian putting a story out there and I

1755
01:19:43,179 --> 01:19:41,389
want to thank thank back to men for the

1756
01:19:45,969 --> 01:19:43,189
services country I think it's just so

1757
01:19:48,909 --> 01:19:45,979
important so I hope there's more people

1758
01:19:50,949 --> 01:19:48,919
like me out there trying to do this I

1759
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:50,959
just think it's important that I swallow

1760
01:19:55,029 --> 01:19:52,610
you guys know I'm trying to get this

1761
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:55,039
story out there and I hope just more

1762
01:19:58,270 --> 01:19:56,570
regular people continue to do the same

1763
01:20:00,639 --> 01:19:58,280
thing and Martin your show is great I

1764
01:20:02,290 --> 01:20:00,649
tune in every week for it so thank you

1765
01:20:05,500 --> 01:20:02,300
very much thanks a lot thanks for the

1766
01:20:07,719 --> 01:20:05,510
call thank you yeah kind of kind of

1767
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:07,729
along their lines have heard you know

1768
01:20:14,020 --> 01:20:11,570
there's a saying that the the in the UFO

1769
01:20:15,219 --> 01:20:14,030
ufology eats its own in other words

1770
01:20:18,909 --> 01:20:15,229
there's a you know there's a lot of

1771
01:20:21,729 --> 01:20:18,919
infighting and and all that but you know

1772
01:20:23,619 --> 01:20:21,739
the one thing I I would like to say to

1773
01:20:26,009 --> 01:20:23,629
someone that's new getting into this

1774
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:26,019
topic and you know new into

1775
01:20:34,739 --> 01:20:32,170
and it is a be be aware of be aware of

1776
01:20:37,589 --> 01:20:34,749
the hoaxing you know that's that's the

1777
01:20:39,149 --> 01:20:37,599
thing you know I liken this to you know

1778
01:20:41,279 --> 01:20:39,159
I'm in the fine arts and antiques and

1779
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:41,289
people collecting when people collect

1780
01:20:44,489 --> 01:20:42,639
and they get a fake then they stop

1781
01:20:46,739 --> 01:20:44,499
collecting and it's kind of the same

1782
01:20:49,259 --> 01:20:46,749
thing in ufology if someone's interested

1783
01:20:50,819 --> 01:20:49,269
in the UFO topic and then they look at

1784
01:20:53,219 --> 01:20:50,829
something and they oh my god look at

1785
01:20:54,660 --> 01:20:53,229
this on YouTube and it ends up being CGI

1786
01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:54,670
they say oh god I'm not gonna bother

1787
01:20:57,509 --> 01:20:55,510
with this anymore

1788
01:20:58,979 --> 01:20:57,519
you know that type of thing and it could

1789
01:21:01,589 --> 01:20:58,989
even happen with Chinese lanterns you

1790
01:21:03,540 --> 01:21:01,599
know some people have could see a

1791
01:21:05,310 --> 01:21:03,550
Chinese lantern and think it's UFO and

1792
01:21:09,089 --> 01:21:05,320
get all excited and then saw Jesus

1793
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:09,099
nothing to this so yeah it's well yeah

1794
01:21:17,219 --> 01:21:12,610
right I mean isn't the statistics that

1795
01:21:20,430 --> 01:21:17,229
less than 5% of all unknown sightings

1796
01:21:22,020 --> 01:21:20,440
turn out to be explainable so even

1797
01:21:25,319 --> 01:21:22,030
though people see something in videotape

1798
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:25,329
it with their phone you know ninety five

1799
01:21:28,290 --> 01:21:26,800
percent of the time it's going to be

1800
01:21:29,790 --> 01:21:28,300
explainable and I think that can be

1801
01:21:31,649 --> 01:21:29,800
discouraging for people when they keep

1802
01:21:33,890 --> 01:21:31,659
seeing that but it's that small

1803
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:33,900
percentage that's just remarkable

1804
01:21:39,810 --> 01:21:37,360
unknown mystery right but very real you

1805
01:21:43,469 --> 01:21:39,820
know just to uh jump in on what you had

1806
01:21:48,410 --> 01:21:43,479
said mister was re I think you're

1807
01:21:51,330 --> 01:21:48,420
correct because after my initial contact

1808
01:21:53,790 --> 01:21:51,340
with mister Korbel I kind of did sit

1809
01:21:56,850 --> 01:21:53,800
back and started research and listening

1810
01:22:00,330 --> 01:21:56,860
to other folks talk about it and there

1811
01:22:02,850 --> 01:22:00,340
was a lot of what you said in fighting

1812
01:22:04,799 --> 01:22:02,860
and then once I saw mr. Davies baby's

1813
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:04,809
video it was just straight to the point

1814
01:22:09,839 --> 01:22:07,840
and I said I'm gonna reach out to mr.

1815
01:22:11,790 --> 01:22:09,849
Beatty so yeah I did see some of that

1816
01:22:15,209 --> 01:22:11,800
infighting going on and I was like wait

1817
01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:15,219
a minute when in our history as as the

1818
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:18,249
DoD ever released videos like this and

1819
01:22:25,109 --> 01:22:22,210
and I people were still not happy with

1820
01:22:30,089 --> 01:22:25,119
it and that's surprising yeah yeah

1821
01:22:31,770 --> 01:22:30,099
PJ just a question for you did you ever

1822
01:22:33,689 --> 01:22:31,780
have any interest in this topic before

1823
01:22:37,259 --> 01:22:33,699
or was that it just all come about

1824
01:22:39,349 --> 01:22:37,269
because of the situation um I can't say

1825
01:22:43,099 --> 01:22:39,359
I've never been interested in it

1826
01:22:44,569 --> 01:22:43,109
but I was never I never knew about half

1827
01:22:46,759 --> 01:22:44,579
this world I never knew there were

1828
01:22:51,409 --> 01:22:46,769
conferences all you ever knew was what

1829
01:22:52,669 --> 01:22:51,419
they showed on TV yeah but you know

1830
01:22:55,729 --> 01:22:52,679
there's a line in the movie contact

1831
01:22:56,089 --> 01:22:55,739
where they say if we're alone in the

1832
01:22:58,699 --> 01:22:56,099
universe

1833
01:23:02,239 --> 01:22:58,709
it's an awful waste of space yes yeah

1834
01:23:04,279 --> 01:23:02,249
and I do firmly believe that III can't

1835
01:23:08,750 --> 01:23:04,289
tell you if there's there I tell you

1836
01:23:14,060 --> 01:23:08,760
there any of that I I can't tell you

1837
01:23:15,739 --> 01:23:14,070
there's not yeah and I do believe it's

1838
01:23:16,699 --> 01:23:15,749
an awful waste of space if we're alone

1839
01:23:18,469 --> 01:23:16,709
in this universe

1840
01:23:21,619 --> 01:23:18,479
yeah so I've always had a passing

1841
01:23:23,449 --> 01:23:21,629
interest in the topic I've just never it

1842
01:23:25,609 --> 01:23:23,459
took this to get me involved so to speak

1843
01:23:27,319 --> 01:23:25,619
yes and and that's that's what it often

1844
01:23:29,029 --> 01:23:27,329
takes we have another caller on the line

1845
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:29,039
caller your first name and where are you

1846
01:23:35,089 --> 01:23:32,249
calling from I've Steve an Oregon oh hi

1847
01:23:37,819 --> 01:23:35,099
Steve in Oregon how are you good how are

1848
01:23:39,909 --> 01:23:37,829
you guys doing you have a question for

1849
01:23:43,969 --> 01:23:39,919
anyone in particular

1850
01:23:48,079 --> 01:23:43,979
a couple things are I would like to ask

1851
01:23:51,020 --> 01:23:48,089
about PJ I don't understand how Roger

1852
01:23:53,719 --> 01:23:51,030
can have a security clearance I mean

1853
01:23:55,969 --> 01:23:53,729
have signed an NDA and somehow he's

1854
01:23:58,729 --> 01:23:55,979
allowed Pete for you to relay

1855
01:24:03,469 --> 01:23:58,739
information I mean that that's a

1856
01:24:06,020 --> 01:24:03,479
complete disconnect for me I'm gonna put

1857
01:24:09,139 --> 01:24:06,030
it two ways you said you're speaking for

1858
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:09,149
two people yes Roger is a real person

1859
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:14,159
Roger is who signed an NDA yes Roger is

1860
01:24:20,599 --> 01:24:17,489
still active in the government industry

1861
01:24:22,429 --> 01:24:20,609
if Roger was not I can almost guarantee

1862
01:24:26,329 --> 01:24:22,439
you Roger would be talking about it

1863
01:24:28,369 --> 01:24:26,339
himself but he's got a family to be

1864
01:24:31,849 --> 01:24:28,379
concerned about so he's got to keep its

1865
01:24:36,949 --> 01:24:31,859
mouth quiet what Roger has told me is

1866
01:24:38,959 --> 01:24:36,959
not and this is between a conversation

1867
01:24:42,469 --> 01:24:38,969
I've had with Ryder what roger has told

1868
01:24:45,619 --> 01:24:42,479
me is not what he is very basic it's not

1869
01:24:48,559 --> 01:24:45,629
what he was told not to say what what

1870
01:24:51,859 --> 01:24:48,569
they were debriefed about has way more

1871
01:24:53,090 --> 01:24:51,869
to do with then I was flying and

1872
01:24:55,730 --> 01:24:53,100
something came up next

1873
01:24:57,170 --> 01:24:55,740
airplane you know that's a very basic

1874
01:25:02,870 --> 01:24:57,180
statement that I could have proved

1875
01:25:06,230 --> 01:25:02,880
without talking to Rogers yeah I bet it

1876
01:25:08,090 --> 01:25:06,240
doesn't make sense is like this thing

1877
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:08,100
where you say you know I

1878
01:25:11,690 --> 01:25:10,290
I know a guy who was there I know a guy

1879
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:11,700
who was a witness who told me everything

1880
01:25:18,140 --> 01:25:14,970
so I I can tell to you

1881
01:25:20,270 --> 01:25:18,150
you know secondhand but supposedly he

1882
01:25:23,420 --> 01:25:20,280
signed an NDA and he's not allowed to I

1883
01:25:25,460 --> 01:25:23,430
know I mean it is it is secondhand it's

1884
01:25:28,610 --> 01:25:25,470
been confirmed by a conversation between

1885
01:25:30,620 --> 01:25:28,620
him and a vanity so it's not yes that

1886
01:25:33,230 --> 01:25:30,630
might be a violation that would be a

1887
01:25:33,730 --> 01:25:33,240
violation of the NBA I can't say you're

1888
01:25:36,290 --> 01:25:33,740
wrong

1889
01:25:38,590 --> 01:25:36,300
well it also depends oh it depends on

1890
01:25:41,540 --> 01:25:38,600
what the NBA was about I mean perhaps

1891
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:41,550
the NBA had nothing to do with the UFO

1892
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:43,530
and it was about some secret technology

1893
01:25:50,540 --> 01:25:48,810
that he's never mentioned yeah I don't

1894
01:25:51,620 --> 01:25:50,550
know one more thing I just a couple

1895
01:25:54,140 --> 01:25:51,630
really quick ones

1896
01:25:56,420 --> 01:25:54,150
um hey baby I looked at some of your

1897
01:25:58,400 --> 01:25:56,430
work some of your documentary if you did

1898
01:26:00,800 --> 01:25:58,410
for PBS and put me your other stuff and

1899
01:26:04,190 --> 01:26:00,810
it's really good yeah I was really

1900
01:26:05,900 --> 01:26:04,200
impressed I have one coming out this

1901
01:26:08,990 --> 01:26:05,910
month called d-day at Pointe du Hoc

1902
01:26:13,070 --> 01:26:09,000
about the second Rangers assault on

1903
01:26:15,530 --> 01:26:13,080
Normandy so if you see that on PBS III

1904
01:26:19,250 --> 01:26:15,540
saw the one that really interests me was

1905
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:19,260
a Nazi attempt to attack New York with a

1906
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:21,930
bomb and that and when you go to that

1907
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:26,010
video that plane that those two German

1908
01:26:31,070 --> 01:26:28,320
brothers the Hawks night or whatever

1909
01:26:33,410 --> 01:26:31,080
brothers were designing in Germany

1910
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:33,420
looked exactly like the crafts and the

1911
01:26:38,150 --> 01:26:36,330
Phoenix lights incident and I know a lot

1912
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:38,160
of those guys came over in the paperclip

1913
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:42,650
to Alabama and New Mexico and Arizona I

1914
01:26:49,570 --> 01:26:46,050
thought that was interesting yeah I mean

1915
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:49,580
Walter and Reimer Horton

1916
01:26:55,390 --> 01:26:52,290
designed some very sophisticated flying

1917
01:26:57,710 --> 01:26:55,400
wing design crafts that I know that

1918
01:27:01,040 --> 01:26:57,720
you're absolutely right I'm at the end

1919
01:27:02,660 --> 01:27:01,050
of World War two I our intelligence

1920
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:02,670
apparatus was trying to hunt these guys

1921
01:27:07,070 --> 01:27:04,410
down because they did want to look at

1922
01:27:10,190 --> 01:27:07,080
that technology and if you look at

1923
01:27:12,530 --> 01:27:10,200
of the I guess the Northrup flying-wing

1924
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:12,540
designs that came out in the 50s are

1925
01:27:21,010 --> 01:27:15,690
almost facsimile replicas of these

1926
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:21,020
German all wing designs your ass hang on

1927
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:24,090
hang on everyone for just like we have a

1928
01:27:28,430 --> 01:27:26,250
new caller please mute your your

1929
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:28,440
listening device Steve thanks so much

1930
01:27:34,100 --> 01:27:32,400
for the call thanks all right so we have

1931
01:27:37,150 --> 01:27:34,110
a new caller on the line your first name

1932
01:27:45,020 --> 01:27:42,380
oh is it Adam did you say Abner

1933
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:45,030
Oh Abner hi you have a question for any

1934
01:27:54,380 --> 01:27:51,840
specific guests we have tonight my

1935
01:27:57,440 --> 01:27:54,390
question is during the time I've been

1936
01:28:00,080 --> 01:27:57,450
trying to figure out B maybe has

1937
01:28:03,170 --> 01:28:00,090
different jobs and most of these jobs

1938
01:28:05,390 --> 01:28:03,180
they have levels of security clearance I

1939
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:05,400
myself was a bubblehead

1940
01:28:09,020 --> 01:28:07,890
which was a mixed Submariner during that

1941
01:28:11,620 --> 01:28:09,030
time as a matter of fact

1942
01:28:16,460 --> 01:28:11,630
watching this I realized this was nearby

1943
01:28:18,650 --> 01:28:16,470
where I was stationed in San Diego so

1944
01:28:21,170 --> 01:28:18,660
I'm very surprised about all this but

1945
01:28:23,180 --> 01:28:21,180
the thing is that what level of

1946
01:28:26,930 --> 01:28:23,190
clearance that PJ whole because he was

1947
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:26,940
an aviation mechanic um so I'm not so

1948
01:28:32,270 --> 01:28:29,610
sure as to how much knowledge you will

1949
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:32,280
be able to be privy to and well at a

1950
01:28:43,790 --> 01:28:41,250
certain level at that sort of job PJ PJ

1951
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:43,800
sir I couldn't understand um you myself

1952
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:47,850
I said okay yeah I mean I had an active

1953
01:28:52,610 --> 01:28:50,250
top-secret clearance at the time there's

1954
01:28:54,350 --> 01:28:52,620
more to a security clearance and you

1955
01:28:57,350 --> 01:28:54,360
know confidential secret or top secret

1956
01:28:59,240 --> 01:28:57,360
there's a bunch of gibberish language

1957
01:29:01,520 --> 01:28:59,250
that goes along with it

1958
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:01,530
but at a basic I had a top secret

1959
01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:06,810
clearance at the time I was Navionics

1960
01:29:14,780 --> 01:29:12,540
technician maybe okay okay radio

1961
01:29:20,139 --> 01:29:14,790
operators I knew they were top secret

1962
01:29:24,189 --> 01:29:20,149
awesome clearance

1963
01:29:25,299 --> 01:29:24,199
oh all right that was my question that's

1964
01:29:26,919 --> 01:29:25,309
all thank you

1965
01:29:29,799 --> 01:29:26,929
all right Abner thanks thanks for the

1966
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:29,809
call lines are open if anyone else wants

1967
01:29:34,689 --> 01:29:33,110
to call in let's see so I'm gonna ask

1968
01:29:40,209 --> 01:29:34,699
you this question

1969
01:29:42,219 --> 01:29:40,219
Dave and that is so supposedly from what

1970
01:29:44,889 --> 01:29:42,229
PJ just said that you actually had a

1971
01:29:49,689 --> 01:29:44,899
conversation with the man who likes to

1972
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:49,699
be known as Roger and do you feel that

1973
01:29:54,489 --> 01:29:53,090
was uh that he broke the NDA by speaking

1974
01:29:59,229 --> 01:29:54,499
about I mean you know what he talked

1975
01:30:02,259 --> 01:29:59,239
about well yeah I mean he flat-out told

1976
01:30:04,959 --> 01:30:02,269
me that he can't talk about some of the

1977
01:30:08,739 --> 01:30:04,969
stuff mm-hm and he said I can tell you

1978
01:30:11,979 --> 01:30:08,749
that I was in the airplane and I saw the

1979
01:30:15,250 --> 01:30:11,989
tic-tac and pretty much that was all he

1980
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:15,260
revealed to me in fact I tried to ask

1981
01:30:20,409 --> 01:30:17,689
him some more questions and he flat-out

1982
01:30:22,779 --> 01:30:20,419
refused to even talk to me at all and

1983
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:22,789
you know even in all this stuff I mean

1984
01:30:27,060 --> 01:30:24,320
all these witnesses that have come

1985
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:27,070
forward that may have been involved in

1986
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:31,610
classified sensors and so on I asked him

1987
01:30:36,009 --> 01:30:34,010
I said did anyone first of all ever tell

1988
01:30:38,020 --> 01:30:36,019
you not to talk about this stuff that

1989
01:30:40,689 --> 01:30:38,030
you've revealed here and and they said

1990
01:30:42,669 --> 01:30:40,699
no no one ever mentioned it to us that

1991
01:30:46,270 --> 01:30:42,679
we couldn't talk about this UFO

1992
01:30:48,729 --> 01:30:46,280
encounter that happened and I said in in

1993
01:30:51,399 --> 01:30:48,739
the last few months or the last six

1994
01:30:53,529 --> 01:30:51,409
months since you come forward has anyone

1995
01:30:56,259 --> 01:30:53,539
ever approached you behind the scenes

1996
01:30:59,080 --> 01:30:56,269
and said okay stop talking about this

1997
01:31:01,419 --> 01:30:59,090
and they said no and they also told me

1998
01:31:04,959 --> 01:31:01,429
every last one of them that if any one

1999
01:31:07,929 --> 01:31:04,969
official ever did come to them and say

2000
01:31:09,489 --> 01:31:07,939
okay guys you know can it we're not

2001
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:09,499
going to talk about this anymore

2002
01:31:15,549 --> 01:31:12,110
that they would all go black and go dark

2003
01:31:18,189 --> 01:31:15,559
on it immediately so I mean I think that

2004
01:31:21,009 --> 01:31:18,199
they are all Patriots in my

2005
01:31:22,810 --> 01:31:21,019
conversations with them they love our

2006
01:31:25,629 --> 01:31:22,820
country and they would never do anything

2007
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:25,639
to jeopardize any secret information I

2008
01:31:29,649 --> 01:31:27,050
think that they're simply talking about

2009
01:31:33,790 --> 01:31:29,659
an unknown aircraft that had this this

2010
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:33,800
event that happened so yeah okay

2011
01:31:37,230 --> 01:31:35,690
we have another caller caller your first

2012
01:31:40,030 --> 01:31:37,240
name and where are you calling from

2013
01:31:43,210 --> 01:31:40,040
hi Martin this is Linda from New York

2014
01:31:53,110 --> 01:31:43,220
well Linda how are you is this the mime

2015
01:31:56,410 --> 01:31:53,120
very good yes yes thank you I really

2016
01:31:59,380 --> 01:31:56,420
appreciate Omar and PJ coming forward

2017
01:32:04,000 --> 01:31:59,390
and I have a question about the men

2018
01:32:08,370 --> 01:32:04,010
overboard since this object seemed to be

2019
01:32:12,190 --> 01:32:08,380
closer to him has he been identified and

2020
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:12,200
interviewed to my knowledge ma'am no he

2021
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:15,410
is not and as far as the proximity to

2022
01:32:21,700 --> 01:32:18,410
him and the object it was quite a

2023
01:32:26,140 --> 01:32:21,710
distance but I don't know whether or not

2024
01:32:28,230 --> 01:32:26,150
he saw it hmm that that was okay that

2025
01:32:32,430 --> 01:32:28,240
was something I was wondering too if if

2026
01:32:34,630 --> 01:32:32,440
if the person never talked about it or

2027
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:34,640
you know if he actually saw it when he

2028
01:32:38,350 --> 01:32:36,170
was in the water because you know you

2029
01:32:39,940 --> 01:32:38,360
have it the open sky in front of you

2030
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:39,950
when you're in the water and the ship

2031
01:32:44,980 --> 01:32:41,930
over to one you know one side and that's

2032
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:44,990
it you can see vast area and he wasn't

2033
01:32:49,900 --> 01:32:47,930
quite he was quite a distance yes that's

2034
01:32:52,570 --> 01:32:49,910
the farthest man overboard I had seen a

2035
01:32:54,460 --> 01:32:52,580
guy drift that's as far as ways he did

2036
01:32:56,710 --> 01:32:54,470
he must have got caught on the current

2037
01:33:00,250 --> 01:32:56,720
too and as well as the aircraft carrier

2038
01:33:01,510 --> 01:33:00,260
was how they as at a coasting speed as

2039
01:33:04,780 --> 01:33:01,520
far as what knots

2040
01:33:06,430 --> 01:33:04,790
I couldn't answer that mm-hmm Linda

2041
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:06,440
you're still doing your show I'm

2042
01:33:15,340 --> 01:33:10,370
assuming yes thank you very much I am

2043
01:33:18,610 --> 01:33:15,350
still doing UFO headquarters and we're

2044
01:33:20,770 --> 01:33:18,620
actually doing a special on Pine Bush in

2045
01:33:23,650 --> 01:33:20,780
a couple of weeks because the Pine Bush

2046
01:33:26,980 --> 01:33:23,660
UFO festival is coming up on May 18th

2047
01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:26,990
right so since you run I'll let you plug

2048
01:33:34,660 --> 01:33:30,320
your show and people can listen to it

2049
01:33:38,830 --> 01:33:34,670
live can they and it's Sunday right it

2050
01:33:44,770 --> 01:33:38,840
is the second Monday of every month it

2051
01:33:48,510 --> 01:33:44,780
was close you can listen to to it on

2052
01:33:51,490 --> 01:33:48,520
podcast anytime but

2053
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:51,500
yes I appreciate that but I would love

2054
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:53,930
to see Martin you come down for the Pine

2055
01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:56,330
Bush UFO Festival someday maybe you

2056
01:33:58,540 --> 01:33:57,650
could do a show there yeah it's

2057
01:34:01,240 --> 01:33:58,550
something I've actually thought about

2058
01:34:03,670 --> 01:34:01,250
how we'll be in touch off here good to

2059
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:03,680
talk to you Linda thank you very much

2060
01:34:07,660 --> 01:34:04,880
and I enjoy the show

2061
01:34:10,450 --> 01:34:07,670
take care all right thanks bye bye so

2062
01:34:12,490 --> 01:34:10,460
the line is the line is still open

2063
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:12,500
let's see now going back to this

2064
01:34:18,130 --> 01:34:16,730
security clearances I mean I'm sorry I

2065
01:34:21,390 --> 01:34:18,140
didn't mean to say that going back to

2066
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:21,400
the NDA's then the non-disclosure

2067
01:34:28,090 --> 01:34:24,880
agreements are they all different or

2068
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:28,100
does anyone know that that's you know in

2069
01:34:32,050 --> 01:34:29,930
the guests here I mean do they actually

2070
01:34:34,270 --> 01:34:32,060
say you can never at any time any given

2071
01:34:37,330 --> 01:34:34,280
day ever talk about this is that is that

2072
01:34:42,180 --> 01:34:37,340
kind of what it is NDA's are are very

2073
01:34:45,820 --> 01:34:42,190
very specific documents they don't leave

2074
01:34:47,710 --> 01:34:45,830
anything to the imagination I've signed

2075
01:34:49,090 --> 01:34:47,720
a tremendous amount of them over the

2076
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:49,100
years

2077
01:34:55,330 --> 01:34:52,310
what do you know it's not even what you

2078
01:34:59,260 --> 01:34:55,340
know it's and this is one thing Dave was

2079
01:35:01,150 --> 01:34:59,270
talking before you know about you know

2080
01:35:03,790 --> 01:35:01,160
respecting NDA's and respecting that

2081
01:35:05,620 --> 01:35:03,800
stuff dave has been absolutely

2082
01:35:07,810 --> 01:35:05,630
tremendous and respecting the boundaries

2083
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:07,820
that we've set because quite a bit of

2084
01:35:12,610 --> 01:35:10,130
this to explain some of it you start

2085
01:35:15,610 --> 01:35:12,620
getting into you know tactics and

2086
01:35:17,530 --> 01:35:15,620
capabilities of certain systems and that

2087
01:35:19,930 --> 01:35:17,540
stuff that you know we can't share and

2088
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:19,940
he's he's respected that you know he's

2089
01:35:24,370 --> 01:35:21,650
taken that the information we've given

2090
01:35:26,410 --> 01:35:24,380
him in and worked with it you know he's

2091
01:35:29,260 --> 01:35:26,420
never ever tried to push the boundaries

2092
01:35:32,890 --> 01:35:29,270
of what we can say or can't say that's

2093
01:35:34,210 --> 01:35:32,900
good you know I've signed basically

2094
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:34,220
every time I transfer I've signed an NDA

2095
01:35:38,500 --> 01:35:37,130
every time I left certain stuff I've

2096
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:38,510
signed in any and they're all very

2097
01:35:44,290 --> 01:35:42,080
detailed on what you cannot say and what

2098
01:35:47,550 --> 01:35:44,300
you basically I mean it's about what you

2099
01:35:49,900 --> 01:35:47,560
can't say not what you can say and

2100
01:35:52,030 --> 01:35:49,910
there's not really any guesswork in

2101
01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:52,040
those isn't perpetuity in other words

2102
01:35:58,790 --> 01:35:53,840
you just can't ever talk about it ever

2103
01:36:02,509 --> 01:35:58,800
ever ever know if

2104
01:36:05,779 --> 01:36:02,519
the topic or the the gear or the

2105
01:36:08,330 --> 01:36:05,789
equipment or the the subject of the NDA

2106
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:08,340
has been Declassified by a higher

2107
01:36:12,169 --> 01:36:09,570
authority hmm

2108
01:36:13,459 --> 01:36:12,179
it kind of null in voids the NBA in most

2109
01:36:15,859 --> 01:36:13,469
cases hmm

2110
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:15,869
there are cases where it's you can just

2111
01:36:20,899 --> 01:36:19,170
never talk about it well like I've

2112
01:36:22,459 --> 01:36:20,909
signed NDA's for equipment and gear

2113
01:36:25,729 --> 01:36:22,469
that's gone in the airplane that at one

2114
01:36:28,759 --> 01:36:25,739
time was held a certain classification

2115
01:36:30,169 --> 01:36:28,769
level and you know two years down the

2116
01:36:31,850 --> 01:36:30,179
line they determined it's no longer

2117
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:31,860
doesn't need to be this kind of

2118
01:36:36,859 --> 01:36:34,050
classification level so it gets

2119
01:36:38,810 --> 01:36:36,869
downgraded and now you know that becomes

2120
01:36:42,049 --> 01:36:38,820
part of normal conversation because you

2121
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:42,059
can now talk about it so it's there are

2122
01:36:45,410 --> 01:36:44,010
cases where they are forever but there

2123
01:36:48,290 --> 01:36:45,420
are also plenty of cases where it's not

2124
01:36:52,009 --> 01:36:48,300
Wow okay

2125
01:36:55,850 --> 01:36:52,019
so Omar I'm gonna ask you this question

2126
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:55,860
in particular what do you when you saw

2127
01:37:01,580 --> 01:36:58,320
this object and you know you talked to

2128
01:37:05,419 --> 01:37:01,590
your you did mention they did speak to

2129
01:37:07,879 --> 01:37:05,429
other people that witnessed it what was

2130
01:37:10,729 --> 01:37:07,889
your thought about what you were

2131
01:37:13,970 --> 01:37:10,739
actually witnessing did you think it was

2132
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:13,980
a technology did you think right away

2133
01:37:19,100 --> 01:37:17,489
that had to be you know something not

2134
01:37:21,310 --> 01:37:19,110
from this planet or what what were you

2135
01:37:24,729 --> 01:37:21,320
what was going through your head

2136
01:37:27,229 --> 01:37:24,739
definitely it wasn't the object was

2137
01:37:30,739 --> 01:37:27,239
nothing I've ever seen in my 10 years

2138
01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:30,749
onboard aircraft carriers from jets even

2139
01:37:34,910 --> 01:37:32,400
at supersonic speeds when Jets are

2140
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:34,920
moving you can follow them at a distance

2141
01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:37,920
when you can still view it at a with

2142
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:40,320
your eyeballs mm-hmm but at this

2143
01:37:44,239 --> 01:37:43,170
distance from whatever this object for

2144
01:37:47,169 --> 01:37:44,249
the distance from the aircraft carrier

2145
01:37:51,700 --> 01:37:47,179
you literally had to move your torso and

2146
01:37:55,569 --> 01:37:51,710
actually look up to see this thing leap

2147
01:37:58,250 --> 01:37:55,579
as far as it being out of this world

2148
01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:58,260
didn't cross my mind at that moment I

2149
01:38:04,489 --> 01:38:01,199
wasn't too concerned as far as who was

2150
01:38:06,979 --> 01:38:04,499
in the cockpit or what was it I don't

2151
01:38:09,229 --> 01:38:06,989
know whether if it was our technology

2152
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:09,239
but then when he hear reports that there

2153
01:38:14,660 --> 01:38:12,210
were hundreds of these things

2154
01:38:17,979 --> 01:38:14,670
and I hope that all hundred of those

2155
01:38:21,100 --> 01:38:17,989
pilots if they are ours are 100%

2156
01:38:23,870 --> 01:38:21,110
patriotic because that they decide to

2157
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:23,880
literally go rogue or defect they're

2158
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:25,890
just gonna rule the entire airspace on

2159
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:28,560
this planet hmm that's one of the things

2160
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:31,770
that's always surprised me about UFOs

2161
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:35,280
and say the Air Force for instance just

2162
01:38:40,100 --> 01:38:37,410
wondering why they don't take more of an

2163
01:38:42,740 --> 01:38:40,110
interest in something that has

2164
01:38:45,290 --> 01:38:42,750
technology that is just so scary that

2165
01:38:47,540 --> 01:38:45,300
like you just said it could easily take

2166
01:38:49,820 --> 01:38:47,550
over the take over the airspace in the

2167
01:38:52,490 --> 01:38:49,830
world so there's always baffle me why

2168
01:38:55,190 --> 01:38:52,500
you know Project Blue Book stopped in

2169
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:55,200
1969 and you know the Air Force

2170
01:38:59,390 --> 01:38:57,090
supposedly didn't have any interests in

2171
01:39:00,890 --> 01:38:59,400
this and then we come to find out there

2172
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:00,900
was a little bit of interest and there

2173
01:39:06,050 --> 01:39:03,930
still is probably so and it only makes

2174
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:06,060
sense only makes sense

2175
01:39:11,420 --> 01:39:07,770
and that's true I mean even the

2176
01:39:15,650 --> 01:39:11,430
individual next we see after the after

2177
01:39:18,020 --> 01:39:15,660
the object had left I went back into

2178
01:39:20,630 --> 01:39:18,030
flight deck control and there was this

2179
01:39:22,970 --> 01:39:20,640
eerie silence amongst those who had just

2180
01:39:24,770 --> 01:39:22,980
walked back in with me and one of the

2181
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:24,780
guys try to break the ice by saying what

2182
01:39:29,900 --> 01:39:28,410
the f was that and I turned and I kind

2183
01:39:32,630 --> 01:39:29,910
of turned around to look at him and just

2184
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:32,640
kind of laugh and and when I turned

2185
01:39:38,150 --> 01:39:35,520
around to my right I looked down and

2186
01:39:40,910 --> 01:39:38,160
there's a sailor with his hands folded

2187
01:39:42,740 --> 01:39:40,920
and he was in prayer Wow so my

2188
01:39:46,130 --> 01:39:42,750
experience from what I saw was totally

2189
01:39:49,310 --> 01:39:46,140
different for this individual mm-hm and

2190
01:39:50,900 --> 01:39:49,320
it bothered him to a point where he had

2191
01:39:54,979 --> 01:39:50,910
to get into prayer because he did not

2192
01:39:58,030 --> 01:39:54,989
know what he was witnessing and even

2193
01:40:01,729 --> 01:39:58,040
going back into my work center my shop I

2194
01:40:04,130 --> 01:40:01,739
refer to him as a BA a BF he was there

2195
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:04,140
and we had a general conversation you

2196
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:05,840
know what we just see what was this and

2197
01:40:10,970 --> 01:40:08,130
he's like you know believing that stuff

2198
01:40:13,700 --> 01:40:10,980
do you know I'm saying maybe I do now I

2199
01:40:15,940 --> 01:40:13,710
mean what was that and he tried to ride

2200
01:40:19,550 --> 01:40:15,950
it off all that was some Chinese

2201
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:19,560
technology that's Chinese stuff and I

2202
01:40:25,529 --> 01:40:23,010
told them you know I remember this

2203
01:40:28,660 --> 01:40:25,539
Pacifica I said it that's China's tech

2204
01:40:30,609 --> 01:40:28,670
you can basically write us off as the

2205
01:40:32,830 --> 01:40:30,619
number one superpower on this planet

2206
01:40:36,100 --> 01:40:32,840
because we are done if those things want

2207
01:40:38,549 --> 01:40:36,110
to just lift a finger on us yeah yeah

2208
01:40:41,709 --> 01:40:38,559
that's so true and I don't think that's

2209
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:41,719
thought about or talked about enough you

2210
01:40:46,899 --> 01:40:43,130
know from some of the technology that

2211
01:40:49,799 --> 01:40:46,909
we've seen I'm going to you now David

2212
01:40:54,189 --> 01:40:49,809
and were worried do you go from here

2213
01:40:55,870 --> 01:40:54,199
with this film I saw on YouTube that it

2214
01:40:58,299 --> 01:40:55,880
said this film is going to be taken down

2215
01:41:00,899 --> 01:40:58,309
when you have you know 1.5 million

2216
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:00,909
reviews on it why would you take it down

2217
01:41:06,700 --> 01:41:03,530
well you know from the very beginning I

2218
01:41:10,540 --> 01:41:06,710
always wanted to have the film sort of

2219
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:10,550
evolved as the story progresses and I'm

2220
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:14,570
on version 2 now and and that was going

2221
01:41:20,259 --> 01:41:17,449
back to March currently I'm working on

2222
01:41:23,379 --> 01:41:20,269
the next iteration and it's going to

2223
01:41:25,390 --> 01:41:23,389
expand greatly with the new witnesses

2224
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:25,400
that have come forward based on the

2225
01:41:31,239 --> 01:41:29,210
first two versions and so my plan is to

2226
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:31,249
put together this really great new

2227
01:41:38,100 --> 01:41:35,449
version and that goes into PJ story and

2228
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:38,110
goes into Gary story and Kevin day and

2229
01:41:43,419 --> 01:41:41,210
brings them off forward so they're not

2230
01:41:45,100 --> 01:41:43,429
just being talked about but they're

2231
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:45,110
actually telling us their story

2232
01:41:50,700 --> 01:41:47,360
themselves I mean I really do like to

2233
01:41:53,859 --> 01:41:50,710
tell personal stories and let the actual

2234
01:41:57,819 --> 01:41:53,869
witness describe what they experienced

2235
01:41:59,919 --> 01:41:57,829
and how they felt and sometimes you know

2236
01:42:02,319 --> 01:41:59,929
all the little details when you put them

2237
01:42:05,770 --> 01:42:02,329
side-by-side it just becomes this very

2238
01:42:08,020 --> 01:42:05,780
powerful story so mmm what I'm telling

2239
01:42:10,989 --> 01:42:08,030
people is you know go to my website to

2240
01:42:13,629 --> 01:42:10,999
the video link and I'm gonna try to keep

2241
01:42:16,180 --> 01:42:13,639
that updated so as these videos on

2242
01:42:18,489 --> 01:42:16,190
YouTube you know are kind of updated

2243
01:42:20,020 --> 01:42:18,499
they have the latest version because

2244
01:42:22,209 --> 01:42:20,030
some people want to link directly to a

2245
01:42:25,209 --> 01:42:22,219
YouTube video that may be outdated so I

2246
01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:25,219
see no very good we have another caller

2247
01:42:29,310 --> 01:42:26,840
on the line color your first name and

2248
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:29,320
where are you calling from

2249
01:42:34,930 --> 01:42:33,050
yeah yeah January I can what's your

2250
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:34,940
first name where you calling from okay

2251
01:42:40,390 --> 01:42:37,010
hi my name is Joe I'm calling from

2252
01:42:41,650 --> 01:42:40,400
Michigan hi Joe welcome to the show you

2253
01:42:43,630 --> 01:42:41,660
have a question for any one of our

2254
01:42:48,340 --> 01:42:43,640
guests in particular or yes I do

2255
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:48,350
okay I want I have a question if if

2256
01:42:54,340 --> 01:42:51,050
anyone is familiar with the southern

2257
01:42:58,710 --> 01:42:54,350
Ontario sighting by the department of

2258
01:43:02,590 --> 01:42:58,720
defense engineer and optical engineer

2259
01:43:06,340 --> 01:43:02,600
through a nikon rifle scope for seven

2260
01:43:09,220 --> 01:43:06,350
minutes at 400 feet and all the work

2261
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:09,230
that he put in to work towards a

2262
01:43:17,530 --> 01:43:13,130
propulsion system and the the the

2263
01:43:19,900 --> 01:43:17,540
drawings of the craft in great detail it

2264
01:43:23,790 --> 01:43:19,910
was a move happened in 2013 it was a

2265
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:23,800
MUFON encounter of the year for 2016

2266
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:26,330
they didn't report it immediately that's

2267
01:43:32,110 --> 01:43:29,690
why I was in 2016 not 2013 but I wonder

2268
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:32,120
if the affinity gentlemen are are

2269
01:43:37,570 --> 01:43:35,090
familiar with that thank you no sir I'm

2270
01:43:39,460 --> 01:43:37,580
not aware I didn't even know what move

2271
01:43:42,340 --> 01:43:39,470
move I don't even know what MUFON was

2272
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:42,350
until we go I think you can want I want

2273
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:44,690
to know about it yeah you might you

2274
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:46,850
might go ahead you might want to check

2275
01:43:51,730 --> 01:43:49,610
into it the gentleman is has been

2276
01:43:53,860 --> 01:43:51,740
interviewed in the interview he's uh

2277
01:43:55,770 --> 01:43:53,870
they cover his face and then the other

2278
01:43:58,000 --> 01:43:55,780
gentleman listen there's new gentleman

2279
01:44:00,360 --> 01:43:58,010
there a bear hunting in southern Ontario

2280
01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:00,370
in the fall of 2013

2281
01:44:08,110 --> 01:44:03,170
we'll be back in the way back in the

2282
01:44:09,130 --> 01:44:08,120
woods this is a Cisco whoa is it no okay

2283
01:44:11,370 --> 01:44:09,140
not all right

2284
01:44:14,440 --> 01:44:11,380
the gentleman the gentleman is a

2285
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:14,450
extremely educated man he's interviewed

2286
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:17,360
for about 45 minutes by a MUFON it is on

2287
01:44:23,710 --> 01:44:22,130
YouTube and I think it would have to be

2288
01:44:25,630 --> 01:44:23,720
one of my I've been following this for

2289
01:44:28,990 --> 01:44:25,640
50 years this would have to be one of my

2290
01:44:31,810 --> 01:44:29,000
top five encounters and if you're not

2291
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:31,820
aware of it if you can try to find it on

2292
01:44:39,790 --> 01:44:35,930
YouTube the southern Ontario UFO

2293
01:44:42,940 --> 01:44:39,800
encounter or through MUFON and the

2294
01:44:48,490 --> 01:44:42,950
gentleman has an engineering company

2295
01:44:50,440 --> 01:44:48,500
big DoD contractor 22 patents and he's

2296
01:44:52,270 --> 01:44:50,450
he's working like crazy to figure out

2297
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:52,280
the propulsion system I think he's real

2298
01:44:58,990 --> 01:44:56,570
close to it and as far as a blockbuster

2299
01:45:01,330 --> 01:44:59,000
and colander that definitely is

2300
01:45:03,190 --> 01:45:01,340
I'm enterprise that no one I see from it

2301
01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:03,200
I think did this thing look like a

2302
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:07,520
dumbbell it was a DA like a God long all

2303
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:09,440
right all right dog balls yes I know

2304
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:11,210
which one you're talking about now yeah

2305
01:45:15,580 --> 01:45:13,970
yeah that okay that is that is as soon

2306
01:45:17,890 --> 01:45:15,590
as you started talking about his

2307
01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:17,900
background I and I remembered the one

2308
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:19,450
you're talking about yeah that's a real

2309
01:45:24,670 --> 01:45:21,890
real interesting and I was talking to

2310
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:24,680
Dave earlier about that it's sometimes

2311
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:27,410
the really unusual ones almost seem like

2312
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:28,970
they're even more credible because

2313
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:31,850
they're just so bizarre and this is one

2314
01:45:39,790 --> 01:45:36,610
of those instances it's a well he even

2315
01:45:41,740 --> 01:45:39,800
saw an insignia on the side of the craft

2316
01:45:43,750 --> 01:45:41,750
yes yes all the measurements of the

2317
01:45:45,940 --> 01:45:43,760
craft hit everything everything about

2318
01:45:48,340 --> 01:45:45,950
the craft later guys right out as far as

2319
01:45:50,710 --> 01:45:48,350
you know visual on Condor I don't think

2320
01:45:53,980 --> 01:45:50,720
there's ever been one like like what

2321
01:45:56,470 --> 01:45:53,990
these Jonah saw in seven minutes do that

2322
01:45:58,840 --> 01:45:56,480
nikon rifle scope he examined that

2323
01:46:02,560 --> 01:45:58,850
craftsmen took notes right and it is

2324
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:02,570
also the audio when they saw it all the

2325
01:46:06,460 --> 01:46:04,250
audio they have all the audio and their

2326
01:46:09,450 --> 01:46:06,470
phones but the video from the phones

2327
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:09,460
that it was interrupted by the by the

2328
01:46:14,260 --> 01:46:11,690
interference from the craft being so

2329
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:14,270
close which is like for me I just wanted

2330
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:15,890
to see I just want to bring that up to

2331
01:46:20,830 --> 01:46:17,810
you Jonathan yeah it's a good one okay

2332
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:20,840
Joe thanks a lot thank you thanks for

2333
01:46:26,350 --> 01:46:23,360
call alright so we only got we only have

2334
01:46:28,540 --> 01:46:26,360
about two and a half three minutes of

2335
01:46:31,630 --> 01:46:28,550
the most here so we have to basically

2336
01:46:34,410 --> 01:46:31,640
wrap up here and it's been it's been a

2337
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:34,420
real pleasure Dave I was just asking you

2338
01:46:40,180 --> 01:46:37,520
basically where you going from here are

2339
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:40,190
you gonna do something else in the UFO

2340
01:46:46,710 --> 01:46:41,810
field or do you think this is a one-time

2341
01:46:49,570 --> 01:46:46,720
deal you know again

2342
01:46:51,700 --> 01:46:49,580
the future will tell what what happens

2343
01:46:54,580 --> 01:46:51,710
next you know especially with this

2344
01:46:56,140 --> 01:46:54,590
project that seems to be you know kind

2345
01:46:59,680 --> 01:46:56,150
of ongoing

2346
01:47:03,130 --> 01:46:59,690
one thought that I had was looking at

2347
01:47:06,399 --> 01:47:03,140
the military witnesses as a group

2348
01:47:08,229 --> 01:47:06,409
military police pilots that it might be

2349
01:47:10,750 --> 01:47:08,239
interesting to form some type of

2350
01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:10,760
foundation or form some type of group

2351
01:47:18,340 --> 01:47:14,800
that supports them and as well as maybe

2352
01:47:20,110 --> 01:47:18,350
filmmaking about the topics in the

2353
01:47:22,990 --> 01:47:20,120
subject matter of these anomalous

2354
01:47:25,209 --> 01:47:23,000
reports that they have so you know I'm

2355
01:47:28,510 --> 01:47:25,219
exploring that you know in the future

2356
01:47:32,380 --> 01:47:28,520
after seeing you know the benefits and

2357
01:47:34,330 --> 01:47:32,390
kind of the the support that these vets

2358
01:47:35,919 --> 01:47:34,340
have given each other just bringing them

2359
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:35,929
together and putting them together I

2360
01:47:40,630 --> 01:47:37,760
think it's been a very positive effect

2361
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:40,640
on them right so this is getting near

2362
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:41,840
the end of the show I just want to say

2363
01:47:49,870 --> 01:47:45,050
good bye and have everyone say just one

2364
01:47:53,169 --> 01:47:49,880
last thing so PJ I want to thank you

2365
01:47:54,820 --> 01:47:53,179
very much for or I'm not going to say

2366
01:47:57,610 --> 01:47:54,830
you're not actually coming forward as a

2367
01:47:58,930 --> 01:47:57,620
witness but still that ordeal

2368
01:48:01,450 --> 01:47:58,940
you know the whole ordeal is pretty

2369
01:48:04,180 --> 01:48:01,460
amazing oh well and I appreciate I

2370
01:48:08,380 --> 01:48:04,190
appreciate that you're doing what you're

2371
01:48:11,169 --> 01:48:08,390
doing no bubbles yeah and the last but

2372
01:48:12,189 --> 01:48:11,179
not least Omar thank you as well I

2373
01:48:14,770 --> 01:48:12,199
appreciate it

2374
01:48:16,570 --> 01:48:14,780
yes sir thank you thank you very much it

2375
01:48:19,209 --> 01:48:16,580
was my pleasure and are you gonna be

2376
01:48:22,750 --> 01:48:19,219
speaking either one of you guys gonna be

2377
01:48:24,340 --> 01:48:22,760
speaking I know Kevin day has spoken at

2378
01:48:27,970 --> 01:48:24,350
a couple conferences or either one of

2379
01:48:32,910 --> 01:48:27,980
you been asked to speak anywhere oh no I

2380
01:48:35,919 --> 01:48:32,920
have not yeah I spoke with Dave Gary

2381
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:35,929
Jason Turner and Kevin day at us Phil

2382
01:48:40,209 --> 01:48:38,449
Megacon that's the only one that I've

2383
01:48:42,459 --> 01:48:40,219
been asked to do and probably the only

2384
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:42,469
one I might do on my shore yeah okay

2385
01:48:46,300 --> 01:48:44,570
all right everyone well I'm gonna ask

2386
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:46,310
you guys because it's real difficult for

2387
01:48:49,660 --> 01:48:47,449
me to do on this side you're all gonna

2388
01:48:51,850 --> 01:48:49,670
have to hang up on skype and I want to

2389
01:48:54,939 --> 01:48:51,860
thank you so much and really appreciate

2390
01:48:57,729 --> 01:48:54,949
it and again I want to thank you all for

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01:49:00,010 --> 01:48:57,739
coming forward and also Dave I want to

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thank you as well yeah thank you

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appreciate it

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all right everyone have a good night you

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do see you soon all right yeah see you

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soon possibly very possibly all right

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all right everyone so that is it for our

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show

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thank you so much for listening next

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week we'll be back with Paul Carr and so

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I also want to thank the people that

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help out in the background and Peggy for

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managing the Facebook page and all that